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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 15, 2011 7:40:41 GMT -8
...You'll make your real friends. Those cunning folk use any means To achieve their ends.
This thread is for the discussion of Slytherin house-favorite characters, why you like/dislike/have no opinion on it, great moments in house history, etc.
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Post by Indigo Raven on Feb 13, 2011 20:57:06 GMT -8
Any Slytherin love in the house? *taps mic* Hello? Is this thing on?
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Post by Spectraitor on Feb 13, 2011 22:13:39 GMT -8
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Post by Indigo Raven on Feb 13, 2011 23:38:46 GMT -8
I always thought that Slytherin had the prettiest house colors. Green and silver. One thing I've always admired Slytherins for is that they don't apologize for how they feel about a person. If they don't like you they don't like you. They're not going to fake being nice to your face. They're just very blunt about it.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 14, 2011 18:55:44 GMT -8
^I agree. I think a lot of people unfairly demonize Slytherin and think that you must be evil if you're in there. Personally, I just think the qualities often found in Slytherins happen to also be the qualities that make badass evil overlords-and nobody's saying that's a bad thing.
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Post by Indigo Raven on Feb 14, 2011 22:49:52 GMT -8
Exactly. Ambition isn't a bad thing. What if you're ambitious about your humanitarian work? Charities? Stopping hunger? I think Slytherins just didn't see the point of being uber nice and polite when they didn't feel like it because some stupid "nobility" issue. They're thinkers, and if it's not in their best interest they're not going to be bothered. Sure that can seem selfish but I feel that Slytherins fight or flight mechanism was very strong.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 15, 2011 20:14:12 GMT -8
^Exactly. Ambition and cunning, while often used for evil, can also be used for good. I mean look at Snape.
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Post by vampirekites on Feb 18, 2011 3:08:44 GMT -8
^I agree. I think a lot of people unfairly demonize Slytherin and think that you must be evil if you're in there. Personally, I just think the qualities often found in Slytherins happen to also be the qualities that make badass evil overlords-and nobody's saying that's a bad thing. The problem is that Rowling makes them out to be the bad guys, with the tiniest of exceptions. It's like, if everyone knows that being in Slytherin made you have a greater chance of being an evil douche, why not do away with the house sorting in the first place? I know keeping up with tradition is important, but it seems like they were secluding the other kids from each other and enabling the prejudices for each generation.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 19, 2011 0:35:03 GMT -8
I know. It's kind of weird. Then again, I suppose even the great and magnificent JKR is not completely immune to stereotypes.
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Feb 20, 2011 15:15:40 GMT -8
What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that there were douchy characters in the other houses. For example, Wormtail (Gryffindor) and Marietta (Ravenclaw). Not to mention the childish way the Puffies attacked Harry in the GoF book cuz they were mad he was champion alongside Cedric.
I also read somewhere that JK Rowling said in an interview that most of the Slytherins came back afterwards with Slughorn to fight in the battle of Hogwarts. Shame she didn't mention that IN THE FUCKING BOOK.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 21, 2011 9:15:14 GMT -8
^Entirely. Though personally, I've always wondered why Peter was a Gryffindor. I mean, he's not really known for his bravery.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 12, 2011 11:59:26 GMT -8
Ughhhhh, stupid people! Why do you assume that Slytherin=anti-Muggle? YES, Salazaar Slytherin was anti-Muggle, but that doesn't mean the whole goddamn house is! Yes, Slytherin qualities tend to run in Pureblood families, and yes, Pureblood families are generally anti-Muggle, but the two don't necessarily have anything to do with each other!!!! Slytherins embrace themselves-their whole selves, good and bad qualities. They're blunt and candid about their opinions-that doesn't make them bad people! And you think THEY'RE too judgmental? Just look at Harry, the wonderful perfect Gryffindor! He heard two bad things about Slytherin house-from Hagrid, mind you, not from any particularly reliable, non-biased source-and immediately decided that Slytherin was BAD BAD BAD and fucking begged the Sorting Hat not to be put in there! AND HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM! Fucking idiot! YOU'RE being the bigot here, not the Slytherins! You're judging the whole house based on the actions of a few individuals (mainly Malfoy)-seriously, double standard much? Slytherins are honest, since when has that been a bad thing???
...Aah, I needed to get that out of my system. Ugh, stupid IRL person.
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Mar 13, 2011 12:22:24 GMT -8
Urgh, I've gotten that too from people when I say I'm a Slytherin; since when did being ambitious and cunning automatically equal being evil and bigoted? If anyone's bigoted, it's the Gryffindors. In the very first book, Harry says to Neville, "The Sorting Hat put you in Gryffindor and where's Malfoy? In stinking Slytherin".
Yes, Malfoy is a bully. Big deal. Sirius and James were also bullies; it's weird how many people refuse to grasp this fact. What Sirius and James did to Snape WAS BULLYING. Jeez.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 17, 2011 18:03:10 GMT -8
^IT'S SO TRUE! I'm not even a Slytherin (Ravenpuff FTW) and it pisses me off!
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Mar 20, 2011 12:44:12 GMT -8
I've even encountered people who say that Sirius and James' treatment of Snape was "justified" cuz of him becoming a Death Eater and snapping at Lily. I'm sorry, but two wrongs don't make a right and bullying is never justified. Anyone who's been thru that themselves would understand.
The incident when Snape got hung upside down and taunted was horrific. I'd say it was far worse than anything Malfoy did to Neville.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 20, 2011 19:02:18 GMT -8
^Totally. And you know, if someone else had bothered being nice to him, he wouldn't have become a Death Eater. He's not a bad guy, he just caved into peer pressure.
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Post by annaofcrazyland on May 4, 2011 3:22:56 GMT -8
Urgh, I've gotten that too from people when I say I'm a Slytherin; since when did being ambitious and cunning automatically equal being evil and bigoted? If anyone's bigoted, it's the Gryffindors. In the very first book, Harry says to Neville, "The Sorting Hat put you in Gryffindor and where's Malfoy? In stinking Slytherin".
Yes, Malfoy is a bully. Big deal. Sirius and James were also bullies; it's weird how many people refuse to grasp this fact. What Sirius and James did to Snape WAS BULLYING. Jeez. Then again, Harry was 11. People say stupid shit when they're that age.
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on May 4, 2011 3:44:41 GMT -8
In which case, you can also justify some of the stuff Malfoy came out with, seeing as he was the same age.
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Post by annaofcrazyland on May 4, 2011 7:04:47 GMT -8
Of course, it does not justify what he said, he was still being a bigoted jerk.
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Post by makoeyes on Apr 27, 2012 23:46:57 GMT -8
I think the fact that all the Slytherins left Hogwarts in the Battle was a Dethroning Moment of Suck. Jo says that being a Slytherin doesn't make you a bad person (and being a Gryffindor doesn't make you a good person), but she doesn't do a good job of it. Sorry Jo, I love you to death but I was dissapointed with that.
Okay, wow, lot's of criticism for Harry. Imo, it's justified that he didn't want to be in Slytherin. MALFOY was already in it, and he certainly wanted to be as far away from one of the nastiest bullies in the school. Secondly, he knows almost nothing about Slytherin, and Hagrid even told him that VOLDEMORT was in Slytherin, the man who murdered his parents and was the one responsible for him being in the incredibly dysfunctional and abusive Dursley household. How would you have reacted to potentialy being in Slythering in his situation.
Just because Malfoy is 11 doesn't mean he gets to use that as an excuse like Harry does. Malfoy is a bully. Tormenting other kids just because is not even close to being comparable to Harry's fears. Most humans are have the gift of a conscience, and that conscience tells most humans that it would be wrong to do what Malfoy does to people. Also, even if he was raised by shitty parents (which he totally was), his actions around teachers proves that he knows that he would get in trouble for his actions, erego he still knows it's wrong.
Being honest isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't give you the excuse to be a dick to people who have never wronged you. Also, HARRY and Ron are dead honest, too. When did they ever pretend not to hate Malfoy or Snape?
Also, people did NOT brush Sirius' and James' behvior under the rug. Harry and Lily were both disgusted and enraged at S&J's actions. However, James and Sirius actually turned into good people (for the most part... I'm still pissed at Sirius for what he did to Kreacher). Snape on the other hand was still a hero, but he bullied his students relentlessly.
And no, I don't hate Slytherin. I'm a Slytherin, but still Malfoy and the like have no excuse for their behavior. I would sooner eat pickled pigs' feet than be friends with Malfoy.
I think the problem here is that Slytherin is never really explored much. We really know painfully little about most of the people and most of the magical world. Most of the books are dedicated to plot. But despite that most of the Slytherins in the book are nasty people, Jo obviously realizes this isn't entirely true. Look at Slughorn and Regulus. She also proves that other Houses can be nasty, too (Cormac, Wormtail, Bully!J&S, Marietta.
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Post by slave4vamps on May 11, 2012 4:05:55 GMT -8
^ Oh hell NO lol. Malfoy is not a bad person and he wasn't a 'bad' kid either. He was raised to believe in certain things and had the way he was supposed to behave beaten into him his whole life. Harry's hatred of Malfoy wasn't any better than Malfoy's hatred of him and they both went out of each others way to torment each other.
But I so AGREE that it was very wrong to have the Slytherin's abandon them in the battle. It doesn't show the message that it doesn't matter where you come from, it's whats in your heart.
I am a proud member of Slytherin xD.
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Post by makoeyes on May 15, 2012 18:06:41 GMT -8
^I didn't think of how he was raised by Lucius. Still though I think at some point there would've come a time at which he would've been told that what he was doing is wrong. Plus, he tries to hide his actions from authority figures, thus on some level he knows what he's doing is wrong. But in fairness, when he was tested by Voldemort himself, he turned out to not be Death Eater worthy.
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Post by slave4vamps on May 16, 2012 4:24:02 GMT -8
^I didn't think of how he was raised by Lucius. Still though I think at some point there would've come a time at which he would've been told that what he was doing is wrong. Plus, he tries to hide his actions from authority figures, thus on some level he knows what he's doing is wrong. But in fairness, when he was tested by Voldemort himself, he turned out to not be Death Eater worthy.
Yes there is that, which is why I also believe he is good at heart. He knows right from wrong. But I think he lashes out also because his home life is so terrible and restrictive.
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Post by makoeyes on May 18, 2012 19:55:16 GMT -8
^Well it wasn't really restrictive and controlling. If anything, he got to do anything and everything he wanted, even moreso than Dudley. But I think being terribly spoiled is another way of giving a child a shitty home life. His meanness wasn't so much coming from a place of pain, but coming from a place of being used to getting whatever he wants.
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