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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2011 21:34:02 GMT -8
I personally disagree when people say she picked Peeta because she had no choice. She had plenty of options. She could not marry anyone. She could wait several years before getting into a relationship. She could try to forgive Gale. She could find someone else. Mockingjay was my favorite of the three. Collins' writing improves greatly by the end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 6:29:23 GMT -8
I'm just going to say that I loved all three books.
The names put me off for a while too, but I still enjoyed the books.
And I can't wait for the movie to come out, but I know it won't be near as good as the books.
My favorite characters have to be Johanna and Cinna.
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Post by Lovely Kiss on May 5, 2011 10:11:05 GMT -8
I personally disagree when people say she picked Peeta because she had no choice. She had plenty of options. She could not marry anyone. She could wait several years before getting into a relationship. She could try to forgive Gale. She could find someone else. Mockingjay was my favorite of the three. Collins' writing improves greatly by the end. But really, someone else? Peeta went through this traumatic experience with her. Why settle for someone who could never possibly understand the pain and endurance she had to go through in order to survive? Personally? I'd prefer someone knowing and understand it and us surviving and trying to move past it together. She could never forgive Gale. As he said, his only saving grace was being the one who protected her family. He indirectly killed her little sister, who she seemed to love more than anything else in the world It was unforgivable. She doesn't hate Gale obviously, but how could she ever look at him again without thinking this is the man who killed my little sister? Katniss married Peeta. Maybe not because there is no one else that could fit the bill, more out of at least having someone around whose familiar and not a threat to her sanity at the very least. Besides, she loves him.
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Post by Anya the Purple on May 6, 2011 20:57:02 GMT -8
^Still, though, all of that does not add up to a contrived romance. It adds up to a logical romance with an acceptable basis and good development.
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Post by serenadeofhatred on Jan 21, 2012 11:30:58 GMT -8
Hm. I read the first two books. I didn't really like them. They're too... not as good as they should have been.
Good idea, I think, but horrible execution.
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Post by Ravu on Jan 29, 2012 7:57:05 GMT -8
Is it good?
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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on Feb 1, 2012 9:14:46 GMT -8
OK, they're all right books. I'm actually really enjoying the series. But they're not this brilliant opus that everyone is praising them to be. From the moment Prim was selected for the Hunger Games, I knew she was going to die. It's an overused trope and it was executed very poorly; it was very predictable. Though, frankly, since Prim has hardly made in impact on me, I couldn't give a damn anyway. I knew Katniss and Peeta would end up together when they drew his name to be in the Games. Again, it was rather predictable. It would have been nicer if Katniss didn't end up with him. I figured that Gale would be in love with Katniss when he first appeared. Again, I've seen it a lot. The world itself doesn't seem to work. Here's an approximate map of Panem: I don't see how the Capitol can control such large districts when it's so far away from some of them? Why do they think that just taking their kids away and forcing them to fight will keep them under their control? Why don't people stand up and fight against it? There are probably more people in District 12 alone than in the Capitol. If the people really cared about their kids, couldn't they just shut down their industries in protest? The Capitol can't starve and firebomb each and every District or else it would cease to function. The people in the Districts could easily rebel by doing that. Compare to 1984; the government of Oceania manipulates its citizens from birth to worship Big Brother. It uses the contant threat of war with Eastasia and Eurasia to get the citizens to do as they're told. Everyone is monitored and "threats" to the government are eliminated quickly and efficiently. There was nothing like that in the Hunger Games; other countries aren't even mentioned, threats to the government such as Katniss are allowed to stay free for the sake of entertainment (even though the people of the Capitol would probably fall for another tribute another time, especially if the Capitol managed to pass Katniss's death off as an accident or from natural causes) and there doesn't seem to be any propaganda trying to convince the people of Panem that the Capitol is right. Despite all those complaints, I do like the series. They're enjoyable books...as long as you don't think into them too much.
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Post by Captain Victoria on Feb 4, 2012 6:59:56 GMT -8
I've gone through and read all these posts and I've come to this conclusion: This is not for me. I'm fond of dystopian fiction where the future sucks, but this doesn't seem like that concept is handled as it should be. It seems like the execution is quite flawed and more time should've been spent ironing out the kinks and making this story as well crafted as something like "Fahrenheit 451" or "1984". It's been noted that these books are enjoyable if you "don't think into them too much", so they're definitely not for me.
I just stopped by because everyone in my grade is reading them and one person in particular wouldn't shut the fuck up about them. So now I know they're not really to my tastes.
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Post by slave4vamps on Feb 4, 2012 8:01:26 GMT -8
..Battle Royale anyone?
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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on Feb 4, 2012 9:46:30 GMT -8
I've gone through and read all these posts and I've come to this conclusion: This is not for me. I'm fond of dystopian fiction where the future sucks, but this doesn't seem like that concept is handled as it should be. It seems like the execution is quite flawed and more time should've been spent ironing out the kinks and making this story as well crafted as something like "Fahrenheit 451" or "1984". It's been noted that these books are enjoyable if you "don't think into them too much", so they're definitely not for me. I just stopped by because everyone in my grade is reading them and one person in particular wouldn't shut the fuck up about them. So now I know they're not really to my tastes. Yeah, I prefer dystopias like 1984 where it's all well-put together with a a few possible questions on "How did it get like this?" or even fiction like Brave New World which isn't really told like a dystopia but really comes off as one. Hunger Games is an enjoyable series, it's just not an "intellectual" one.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 4, 2012 20:11:17 GMT -8
I don't see how the Capitol can control such large districts when it's so far away from some of them? Why do they think that just taking their kids away and forcing them to fight will keep them under their control? Why don't people stand up and fight against it? There are probably more people in District 12 alone than in the Capitol. If the people really cared about their kids, couldn't they just shut down their industries in protest? The Capitol can't starve and firebomb each and every District or else it would cease to function. The people in the Districts could easily rebel by doing that. Well, I'd disagree. First of all, people in the Districts are raised from birth to believe that they're essentially bugs that the Capitol is looking at and wondering if it should crush. They are necessary to the workings of Panem, but they don't realize that. Which is why the whole nightlock thing set off so much craziness-if Katniss could defy the Capitol and get away with it, why couldn't the districts? And if you'll remember, once the disricts realize they can stand up to the capitol, they do. And the Capitol, it turns out, can't control such a large land mass, just as you were predicting.
As for killing Katniss after she became a threat to the Capitol's power, that wouldn't necessarily have been the smartest move. I have no doubt that ordinary dissenters would be killed instantly. But Katniss is not only held dear by Capitol citizens, she's the national symbol of the rebellion. Nobody would actually buy that her death was accidental. Her death would just make the country even madder, and Snow knows he can't afford that.
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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on Feb 5, 2012 0:03:17 GMT -8
I don't see how the Capitol can control such large districts when it's so far away from some of them? Why do they think that just taking their kids away and forcing them to fight will keep them under their control? Why don't people stand up and fight against it? There are probably more people in District 12 alone than in the Capitol. If the people really cared about their kids, couldn't they just shut down their industries in protest? The Capitol can't starve and firebomb each and every District or else it would cease to function. The people in the Districts could easily rebel by doing that. Well, I'd disagree. First of all, people in the Districts are raised from birth to believe that they're essentially bugs that the Capitol is looking at and wondering if it should crush. They are necessary to the workings of Panem, but they don't realize that. Which is why the whole nightlock thing set off so much craziness-if Katniss could defy the Capitol and get away with it, why couldn't the districts? And if you'll remember, once the disricts realize they can stand up to the capitol, they do. And the Capitol, it turns out, can't control such a large land mass, just as you were predicting.
As for killing Katniss after she became a threat to the Capitol's power, that wouldn't necessarily have been the smartest move. I have no doubt that ordinary dissenters would be killed instantly. But Katniss is not only held dear by Capitol citizens, she's the national symbol of the rebellion. Nobody would actually buy that her death was accidental. Her death would just make the country even madder, and Snow knows he can't afford that.I never got the impression that they were raised from birth to believe that. Gale shit talks the Capitol from the moment he's introduced and Katniss agrees with him; no one else really shares their thoughts on it, that I can remember. The only other ones I can remember are the other Tributes and it's pretty obvious they'd be biased, considering what they went through. And if the citizens think they're unnecessary and that their deaths wouldn't have an impact on how Panem worked, what would they have to lose? If they're all so necessary, then the Capitol would have little choice than to cave to what they want if they just stopped doing what Snow wanted them to do. And if they believed they were unnecessary, what's stopping them from doing it before? Are they afraid of what the Capitol did to District 13? Fair enough but people are apparently dying all the time in District 12, at least. Wouldn't that be good enough reason to stand up and say, "We what more than this!" Killing Katniss probably would have been the Capitol's smartest move. In 1984, Big Brother had three prominent members of the Party killed once they were suspected of treason. In real life, Stalin sent anyone who was a threat to the gulag or he had them killed; he didn't care if that person being killed would stir up trouble because he'd crush that trouble easily. And killing the symbol of the rebellion could have caused them to act rashly and draw attention to themselves; draw them out, crush them. If the Capitol has such advanced technology, especially weaponry, then drawing the rebels out and crushing them when they were ill-prepared would be the best idea. As for the Capitol citizens, Katniss notices that they flit from one trend to the other. Who knows, Haymitch might have been beloved of the Capitol once and look at how easily they moved on to other Tributes. And just because Tributes are beloved of Capitol citizens doesn't mean Snow won't treat them like shit; didn't he have Finnick prostitute himself? So, if he can do that and keep it a secret, he could easily kill off Katniss and make it look like an accident; all those trips to the woods, you know.
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Post by kaynobi on Feb 5, 2012 14:37:42 GMT -8
I've only just started reading Catching Fire so no spoilers for me please. I liked the first book but I'm not onboard with this whole Peeta/Katniss thing. It's interesting with him liking her genuinely and her having to just play at it but as a real couple? Not into it.
Rue was my favourite in the first book. Poor, poor little Rue.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 7, 2012 20:29:36 GMT -8
Well, I'd disagree. First of all, people in the Districts are raised from birth to believe that they're essentially bugs that the Capitol is looking at and wondering if it should crush. They are necessary to the workings of Panem, but they don't realize that. Which is why the whole nightlock thing set off so much craziness-if Katniss could defy the Capitol and get away with it, why couldn't the districts? And if you'll remember, once the disricts realize they can stand up to the capitol, they do. And the Capitol, it turns out, can't control such a large land mass, just as you were predicting.
As for killing Katniss after she became a threat to the Capitol's power, that wouldn't necessarily have been the smartest move. I have no doubt that ordinary dissenters would be killed instantly. But Katniss is not only held dear by Capitol citizens, she's the national symbol of the rebellion. Nobody would actually buy that her death was accidental. Her death would just make the country even madder, and Snow knows he can't afford that. I never got the impression that they were raised from birth to believe that. Gale shit talks the Capitol from the moment he's introduced and Katniss agrees with him; no one else really shares their thoughts on it, that I can remember. The only other ones I can remember are the other Tributes and it's pretty obvious they'd be biased, considering what they went through. And if the citizens think they're unnecessary and that their deaths wouldn't have an impact on how Panem worked, what would they have to lose? If they're all so necessary, then the Capitol would have little choice than to cave to what they want if they just stopped doing what Snow wanted them to do. And if they believed they were unnecessary, what's stopping them from doing it before? Are they afraid of what the Capitol did to District 13? Fair enough but people are apparently dying all the time in District 12, at least. Wouldn't that be good enough reason to stand up and say, "We what more than this!" Killing Katniss probably would have been the Capitol's smartest move. In 1984, Big Brother had three prominent members of the Party killed once they were suspected of treason. In real life, Stalin sent anyone who was a threat to the gulag or he had them killed; he didn't care if that person being killed would stir up trouble because he'd crush that trouble easily. And killing the symbol of the rebellion could have caused them to act rashly and draw attention to themselves; draw them out, crush them. If the Capitol has such advanced technology, especially weaponry, then drawing the rebels out and crushing them when they were ill-prepared would be the best idea. As for the Capitol citizens, Katniss notices that they flit from one trend to the other. Who knows, Haymitch might have been beloved of the Capitol once and look at how easily they moved on to other Tributes. And just because Tributes are beloved of Capitol citizens doesn't mean Snow won't treat them like shit; didn't he have Finnick prostitute himself? So, if he can do that and keep it a secret, he could easily kill off Katniss and make it look like an accident; all those trips to the woods, you know. Think about what Katniss says. "The might of the capitol. The power of the capitol. We are all slaves to the capitol." Even before she goes into the games, this is her mindset, and presumably the mindset of nearly everyone in the districts. Not Gale, but there are exceptions to every rule. Defying the Capitol is an idea that never even crosses the minds of most district people until Katniss pulls the trick with the berries. Even Gale never actually intended to make good on his rants until half of Panem was in the middle of an uprising.
I maintain that killing Katniss would have been a bad idea. Maybe they could have blown her up the minute she pulled out the berries. That would have been fine. But as I've stated,
the districts were already on the verge of revolt by the Victory Tour. By the time it was over, the uprisings had already begun. It would have been too late to draw out the masterminds behind them like you're suggesting. Katniss' death would have just been a rallying point for the rebels, like she intended it to be.
I don't think Snow cares too much about what the Capitol citizens think, as long as they don't get too freaked out and cause a bigger mess for him to deal with. But Katniss' death would do a lot more than just upset the Capitol citizens.
kaynobi: Don't worry. The Katniss/Peeta thing improves substantially.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Feb 7, 2012 21:06:13 GMT -8
I haven't read the books, but I went to the website today to read the first chapter, and ended up getting spoiled because of how they explain the second book right under where you go to read the first chapter of the first book.
Then, I open the pdf to read the chapter, and it has Smeyer giving it a review... Joy.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 8, 2012 21:57:12 GMT -8
^Haha, yeah... that's the only downside, all the covers have the SMeyer review. It really is good, though.
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Post by kaynobi on Feb 11, 2012 5:12:54 GMT -8
So, I finished Catching Fire last night. It's genrally a good book but I liked the first one better. I found a lot of it quite obvious and the ending felt abrupt. Also, I'm liking Katniss less and less and there's still nothing I especially like about Peeta. It's the world and the games that are interesting (and occasionally , other chracters like Rue).
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Post by Lovely Kiss on Mar 4, 2012 14:53:06 GMT -8
LAWL. I forgot this topic was on this side of the forum. It's also on another too.
I like the song with it. I like the trailer for this one. :0
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Post by PuzzleChick on Mar 4, 2012 18:22:32 GMT -8
I'm probably going to start reading the series soon. The trailers for the movie really hooked me, so I decided I'd give the books a shot. I've actually been thinking about reading them for ages, considering how many people bought them when I worked at Borders. Every week it seemed we got a new box of the damn things and by the end of the week they were sold again. Plus, the synopsis intrigued me, and I quite liked the covers of the books. Unfortunately I had about 50 books ahead of them on my to-read list, plus I tend to be wary of anything that's trending in the YA category, so I kept putting it off.
But anyway, I read the first chapter on Amazon today and it wasn't bad. I'm about to finish the last book I bought, so I might get THG for my Kindle and see if it interests me enough to want to read the rest. (I'm already spoiled for a lot of things since I read through the Tropes page for the series awhile back. xD I'm kind of concerned about this love triangle BS, considering that I cannot stand love triangles, but at least the consensus seems to be that I'll like the outcome.)
I definitely want to see the movie, though. All the trailers are brilliant.
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Post by kaynobi on Mar 7, 2012 8:50:40 GMT -8
So I read Mockingjay. Hated it. At first I thought it was just a let down but the more I think about it the more I genuinely hate it. Nothing felt satisfyingly resolved to me and I began to pretty much hate every character and the author. The first book was good enough but from then on the whole thing just went so downhill for me.
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Post by Lovely Kiss on Mar 7, 2012 14:10:52 GMT -8
So I read Mockingjay. Hated it. At first I thought it was just a let down but the more I think about it the more I genuinely hate it. Nothing felt satisfyingly resolved to me and I began to pretty much hate every character and the author. The first book was good enough but from then on the whole thing just went so downhill for me.
I don't see why people disliked Catching Fire so much, (it's my favorite out of the three) but Mockingjay was my least favorite. It kind of bored me, but because I like the Hunger Games as a whole, I'm ignoring that fact. I mean, I didn't particularly care for Half-Blood Prince either, and didn't care for how Ginny and Harry acted, but I still like all the books as a whole.
Also, Katniss (aside from Peeta, Haymitch and Cinna), is my favorite character, so I never got why some people hated her. I understood her perfectly. o___o[/color]
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Post by PuzzleChick on Mar 7, 2012 17:48:05 GMT -8
I finished The Hunger Games and started Catching Fire today. I have to say, so far, I quite like Katniss. I don't know if maybe the reasons people hate her crop up later, but so far I'm totally on board with her as the POV character. I might not agree with everything she thinks or does, but I'm not supposed to. I'm not reading a book about me after all, I'm reading about her. And she's definitely solid enough of a character to be interesting even during the times I disagree with her.
*goes back to reading*
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Post by Lovely Kiss on Mar 9, 2012 16:07:26 GMT -8
I finished The Hunger Games and started Catching Fire today. I have to say, so far, I quite like Katniss. I don't know if maybe the reasons people hate her crop up later, but so far I'm totally on board with her as the POV character. I might not agree with everything she thinks or does, but I'm not supposed to. I'm not reading a book about me after all, I'm reading about her. And she's definitely solid enough of a character to be interesting even during the times I disagree with her. *goes back to reading*
Me too! ^___^ Some apparently haven't liked her from the beginning, but I can't understand why, I get why she does things and I can understand her decisions, even if I don't agree with them a lot myself. When it comes to the movie, I'm kind of concerned about how they will tell the story, since it's in first person and Katniss thinks a lot of the time.
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Post by annabellamy on Mar 11, 2012 5:59:57 GMT -8
I finished The Hunger Games and started Catching Fire today. I have to say, so far, I quite like Katniss. I don't know if maybe the reasons people hate her crop up later, but so far I'm totally on board with her as the POV character. I might not agree with everything she thinks or does, but I'm not supposed to. I'm not reading a book about me after all, I'm reading about her. And she's definitely solid enough of a character to be interesting even during the times I disagree with her. *goes back to reading*
Me too! ^___^ Some apparently haven't liked her from the beginning, but I can't understand why, I get why she does things and I can understand her decisions, even if I don't agree with them a lot myself. When it comes to the movie, I'm kind of concerned about how they will tell the story, since it's in first person and Katniss thinks a lot of the time.
They'll probably do it the way they did "I Am Number Four." Namely, ignore the fact that it's in first person and focus on Katniss with a few references to the other tributes/events outside the Arena.
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Post by PuzzleChick on Mar 11, 2012 13:01:56 GMT -8
I finished Mockingjay today! I have to say, I didn't hate it at all. It definitely moved at a slower pace, so it wasn't as exciting as the first two, but it had its own good points. I still like Katniss, whatever others found to hate about her I guess never bothered me. xD And I liked the ending. It was dark, it was realistic, but it wasn't depressing. Or at least I didn't find it to be, because in spite of the bitterness, it still offered some hope that even the broken and wounded can find happiness. (Plus I was totally Team Peeta, so. x3) My only problem is the whole "final Hunger Games" idea. Why use the children of the officials? Why not use the officials themselves? They're the ones who initiated and encouraged the Games, so they should have been the people made to play them, not their kids. Making the officials play it would have been perfect; payback and execution and teaching a lesson all at the same time. But their kids? That whole thing was kind of jarring. I suppose it was meant to show how in a war both sides have to be brutal, but still. Other than that though, great series. I enjoyed reading it and I'd definitely recommend it.
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Post by Lovely Kiss on Mar 12, 2012 23:06:53 GMT -8
I finished Mockingjay today! I have to say, I didn't hate it at all. It definitely moved at a slower pace, so it wasn't as exciting as the first two, but it had its own good points. I still like Katniss, whatever others found to hate about her I guess never bothered me. xD And I liked the ending. It was dark, it was realistic, but it wasn't depressing. Or at least I didn't find it to be, because in spite of the bitterness, it still offered some hope that even the broken and wounded can find happiness. (Plus I was totally Team Peeta, so. x3) My only problem is the whole "final Hunger Games" idea. Why use the children of the officials? Why not use the officials themselves? They're the ones who initiated and encouraged the Games, so they should have been the people made to play them, not their kids. Making the officials play it would have been perfect; payback and execution and teaching a lesson all at the same time. But their kids? That whole thing was kind of jarring. I suppose it was meant to show how in a war both sides have to be brutal, but still. Other than that though, great series. I enjoyed reading it and I'd definitely recommend it.
YAY! We have the same mindset when it came to these books. =DDD Yeah I never understood the dislike against Katniss, I liked her throughout the book and of course, I was Team Peeta myself. ^-^
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Post by annabellamy on Mar 13, 2012 2:50:53 GMT -8
I finished Mockingjay today! I have to say, I didn't hate it at all. It definitely moved at a slower pace, so it wasn't as exciting as the first two, but it had its own good points. I still like Katniss, whatever others found to hate about her I guess never bothered me. xD And I liked the ending. It was dark, it was realistic, but it wasn't depressing. Or at least I didn't find it to be, because in spite of the bitterness, it still offered some hope that even the broken and wounded can find happiness. (Plus I was totally Team Peeta, so. x3) My only problem is the whole "final Hunger Games" idea. Why use the children of the officials? Why not use the officials themselves? They're the ones who initiated and encouraged the Games, so they should have been the people made to play them, not their kids. Making the officials play it would have been perfect; payback and execution and teaching a lesson all at the same time. But their kids? That whole thing was kind of jarring. I suppose it was meant to show how in a war both sides have to be brutal, but still. Other than that though, great series. I enjoyed reading it and I'd definitely recommend it. I think the idea was that the officials would be forced to experience what the District parents had to go through when their kids were in the Games.
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Post by PuzzleChick on Mar 13, 2012 6:59:28 GMT -8
*high fives* I'm glad to know someone else shares my thoughts on it! I've read some opinions on why people dislike her, and I can see where they're coming from, but I still like her as a character after it all. =3 She was an interesting, strong, well-built character, and imo was pretty realistic. While I probably wouldn't be bffs with her in real life, I enjoyed spending three books with her and her story. Most of the issues I did find with her the book gave us justification for, so that in the end I can understand them and still want to root for her. (Unlike another certain YA "heroine" I can think of who never had flaws or consequences for anything...)
@ annabellame: Ah, yeah, that's a good point. That makes sense.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 14, 2012 6:42:55 GMT -8
^That's what I thought, too. And honestly, after re-reading the whole series, I actually really liked Mockingjay. I like how different Katniss was from the beginning of the series, and how it makes sense with what's happened to her. I also like that Katniss shoots Coin, not Snow. How it shows that extremists on one side of a war are no better than extremists on the other. Especially in light of, say, what's going on in Egypt right now-they got rid of their dictator, but the military rule still sucks. Which is what would have happened under Coin. And I think that the "final Hunger Games with the children of the officials" thing was also supposed to show that. Like, even people like Katniss, who are heroes, will still go along with horrible things for the sake of revenge. Because that's human nature. Frankly, I loved Katniss. For the reasons everyone else has said. I admit I was Team Gale at first-I actually really hated Peeta for a while-but eventually I stopped being so. Which is another reason I liked the books, actually.
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