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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 12:43:13 GMT -8
Just wondering what people's thoughts are about Ginny 'round here. Do you like her or dislike her? Did you once like her but then slowly start to hate her or vice-versa? Discuss.
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Post by Lady of Himring on Jan 28, 2011 14:10:00 GMT -8
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Post by paperbagprincess on Feb 11, 2011 12:50:46 GMT -8
HATE. HATE GINNY. I don't know why but there's something in her character that just irks me to no extent! Thus, her name is Ginny the Troll. Troll in the literal sense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 14:08:07 GMT -8
^ Just 'cause does not seem like a valid reason.
Anyways, I actually do not care much for the girl. I know several people hate her character and call her a mary sue, but truth is: She wasn't enough of a character to be a mary sue, and even if she was, she did not have any mary-sue like qualities I could see. In the movies, however, she seems fun enough.
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Post by Lil' Raskol LobLaw on Feb 11, 2011 19:41:49 GMT -8
I like Ginny, I just have to disagree with Harry x Ginny pairing. I have a few reasons why. One, I think it's weird that all three main characters are paired up, two of them are paired with Weasleys. And another, Harry seemed like a character that doesn't need to be paired up. It feels unnecessary, imo. Third, I dunno, it seemed kind of abrupt. Out of nowhere, Harry randomly feels an attraction to her. I find that strange. Yeah.
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Post by paperbagprincess on Feb 11, 2011 20:00:17 GMT -8
^ Just 'cause does not seem like a valid reason. It's not 'just cause' it's her! Everything about her, the way I pictured her in the books, the dialogue, eveything, I just don't know how to properly explain it. She just make me so mad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 20:02:26 GMT -8
^ Just 'cause does not seem like a valid reason. It's not 'just cause' it's her! Everything about her, the way I pictured her in the books, the dialogue, eveything, I just don't know how to properly explain it. She just make me so mad. Then...I suppose you have an issue on the way you imagine her? Enlighten me?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 20:35:44 GMT -8
Well, Harry and Ginny were friends before he liked her. Am I the only person who occasionally gets crushes on old friends without warning?
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Post by Lil' Raskol LobLaw on Feb 12, 2011 11:18:09 GMT -8
No, it's not that. It just seemed kind of abrupt, is all.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Feb 13, 2011 6:45:34 GMT -8
Sort of on topic: I'm glad Harry got paired with Ginny instead of Hermione, just because Harry/Hermione was what everyone would have been expecting (in the beginning, I mean). And then Ron would've turned into a third wheel like it ALWAYS happens. I'm just glad JKR didn't go the usual route there.
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Post by Indigo Raven on Feb 13, 2011 21:00:14 GMT -8
I'm slowly coming around to her, but my main problem was that we were told how awesome/powerful/wonderful/hot/popular she was instead of being shown. I know there wasn't a lot of time to show all of these things but if we could've just gotten something during the sixth book instead of rampant chest monster reacting to her greatness it would've been a blessing.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Feb 16, 2011 11:41:02 GMT -8
No, it's not that. It just seemed kind of abrupt, is all.
You just weren't looking for it. Out of all the Women in the series, excluding Hermione, Ginny is the one he pays the most attention too.
No, I don't mean he thinks about her and drools on himself like he did with cho chang. I mean He's around her the most, in her house, eats breakfast with her, tries to sit with her on the train, Helps her clean up the headquarters.
It wasn't Abrupt, it was just very subtle, especially considering it took him awhile to notice it himself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 20:19:34 GMT -8
I don't like her. I think I said this on the old board or something, but if there had to be Harry x girl pairing, I would have preferred it to be him and Hermi. But, JKR totally sold me on Hermi from day one. x__X
Just...Ginny always seemed like the annoying lil sister who didn't have friends her own age so she had to hang around her older bro's friends. I don't really see how that's any kind of attractive...but whatever lol.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Feb 18, 2011 2:21:34 GMT -8
She only hang around with Ron because of Harry, -shrugs-. Hell, in the fifth book after Harry got used to being around her every day and liked her company, she totally blew him off to sit with her friends on the train while Hermione and Ron were busy being Perfects.
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Post by vampirekites on Feb 18, 2011 3:05:31 GMT -8
To me, she just seems like she was created to be a love interest for Harry. Besides her creating a useful hex, she's really not that memorable.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Feb 18, 2011 3:18:55 GMT -8
To me, she just seems like she was created to be a love interest for Harry. Besides her creating a useful hex, she's really not that memorable.
You have to keep in mind that the story is not only told about him, but only from his specific view point. Every character is going to be painted with a brush based on how he as a character thinks about them. Minor characters like Ginny aren't going to hold their own weight, not because they aren't good characters, but because the main character only shows them at certain times. The only reason Hermione and Ron are so fully fleshed out is because Harry is around them constantly enough that we get to see them in a full three dimensions because that's how he views them.
Look at Dumbledore for instance, the first four books he only really has one dimension to him from Harry's Point of view, Teacher/Protector, and then as book 5 and 6 come out and Dumbledore takes a more active role in harry's life we start to see more and more of his character, but the full three dimensions of his character aren't revealed until the 7th book when harry actually starts obsessing about what Dumbledore is really like and realizes that he has only known one facet of the man.
We only see Ginny as an Annoying Sister, as a Love interest, as a good witch, because these are how Harry thinks about her in the book as we get introduced to more and more of her. Also consider that Harry doesn't actively start getting to know her until 6th book when the relationship starts and stops in a small amount of time, and then the entire rest of their relationship after the 7th book is entirely skipped over, so we never get to see Harry's thoughts and opinions of her evolve as we did with Dumbledore and with Hermione and Ron.
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Post by thewizardofoz on Feb 18, 2011 12:13:32 GMT -8
Sorry, those who do not like Ginny. I have to agree with Purple Rose, WhiteRabbit, and HH. To me, Ginny always seemed to be the sort of character who would make something of herself, and boy did she. She excelled in her classes, she created all sorts of hexes, potions, and charms that helped Hogwarts and the trio in inummerable ways (just like about 99.9% of Hogwarts, but that comes later), and as an added bonus, she's the sweetest, most adorable young woman. I'd have hated to see her lost. All the same, though... I always supported Harry and Hermione. Let Ron have Cho and Ginny take some unknown sixth year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 18:53:27 GMT -8
Actually, I'm a bit ehhhh about her, Argus. XD I did think Ginny was kinda cute/endearing from book 1 to 4 but the following books... *zips mouth at the risk of offending fans*
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Post by Lady of Himring on Feb 18, 2011 21:26:57 GMT -8
Heartless, you get karma.
She was a minor character, yes she was a sibling of a member of the trio, but the book was about Harry and his journey. I love what JK did by creating Hermione and Ron, they're both wonderful characters but sadly you can't just fit every single detail of them in the books.
Let's take Neville as an example too, he kept up DA for its last year and I would have loved to see that, but we couldn't. Would I have loved to see more about Ginny? Heck yeah, but I did liked her.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 21:12:27 GMT -8
I only hate her when paired up with Harry. Also didn't Harry start noticing her when she was kissing ANOTHER boy? And since when did you describe a good feeling like love as a MONSTER in your chest?
I would say more about this but I'm bad with words and I need some time to sort it out.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on May 3, 2011 22:17:53 GMT -8
I only hate her when paired up with Harry. Also didn't Harry start noticing her when she was kissing ANOTHER boy? And since when did you describe a good feeling like love as a MONSTER in your chest?
I would say more about this but I'm bad with words and I need some time to sort it out.
He wasn't describing his love for Ginny as a Monster, he was describing his Jealousy, don't confuse the two or you'll have lot more to worry about in life than Harry Potter's love interests lol.
I actually think that he started -noticing- Ginny during the 5th book, especially during the DA meetings. He just didn't realize that this notice he was taking of her was actually affection. Which, in my opinion, is reasonable: He was still mooning over cho, but she kinda fell to the wayside because her grieving over Cedic showed that she wasn't capable of handling having Harry in her life, ginny on the other hand was like a rock through all of it, even if she was kinda in the background. It was Ginny that went with him the ministry, and Ginny that fought for him. It was Cho's friend that gave them up, and she continued to stay friends with her after this too. (In the movie, it was cho herself that gave him up to Umbridge, and while I know that was mostly so they didn't have to pay another actor, I think it had significant meaning to Cho's character as well). Then there's the fact that he had a crazy lady carving words into his hand, voldermort plotting to kill him, secret meetings, and training, and his godfather being murdered.
In short, he needed a slap to the face, to wake him up, because his brain just hadn't noticed what his Heart was feeling.
As for Cho vs Ginny? Well, listen to how harry describes the two. Most of the time when he talks about cho, he's talking about her face, what she looks like, and he gets rather annoyed by the things she says and does. With Ginny? He talks about her actions, and things she does, how she does them, and how this makes him feel, and it's usually something positive. Even when she was just running out of the room embarrassed, he would comment how it made her face look like a sunset.
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Post by dictatorofengland on May 4, 2011 3:14:23 GMT -8
I personally thought Ginny was ok untill she started being suddenly the centre of attention with all the boys and I felt the romance with Harry was too forced and abrupt. If they had been given more real build up (as a young childhood crush on Ginny's part doesn't really make sufficient build up) then maybe I'd feel better about them. I don't have any opinion on someone I'd prefer he ended up with, I just think that Harry/Ginny was rushed and therefore find them irritating together. Ginny before the rapid change was a character I didn't mind.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on May 4, 2011 9:04:03 GMT -8
I personally thought Ginny was ok untill she started being suddenly the centre of attention with all the boys and I felt the romance with Harry was too forced and abrupt. If they had been given more real build up (as a young childhood crush on Ginny's part doesn't really make sufficient build up) then maybe I'd feel better about them. I don't have any opinion on someone I'd prefer he ended up with, I just think that Harry/Ginny was rushed and therefore find them irritating together. Ginny before the rapid change was a character I didn't mind.
Well, she went from being a knobby knee'd 11 year old, to a half matured 15 year old, a lot of girls in that age range 'suddenly' change and start taking an interest in boys. Plus, it was Hermione's idea that she date around, and start getting comfortable with herself and with boys, so that she could actually -speak- when Harry was in the room.
I do agree that it was sudden though, but I feel there were reasons for that, per my last post.
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Post by dictatorofengland on May 4, 2011 10:32:02 GMT -8
I guess I just wasn't feeling it, each to their own, to me the couple never felt right when reading the books.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on May 4, 2011 10:49:58 GMT -8
I guess I just wasn't feeling it, each to their own, to me the couple never felt right when reading the books.
Well, I don't think they were the perfect couple, but then I don't really see anyone in the books as being 'perfect'. Thats what made it seem more real to me. I think that we didn't really get to see their relationship at all to be honest. We got a last couple of chapters in Book 6, and then an Epilogue at the end of Book 7. It wasn't much to go on, especially considering it was limited to only one view point, the view point of Harry at that, who didn't even notice his feelings until the last second, so to speak.
I also think that if we had seen the relationship from Ginny's point of view it would've shown a lot more depth to it, considering she was patiently waiting all that time, and that out of all the girls there, her only true competition was Luna, and Hermione, and neither one of them had what Harry was looking for truth be told.
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Post by dkx on May 4, 2011 10:56:24 GMT -8
I don't remember the books well, but if Rowling had slowly built up from Book 5 (Ginny's 13 then and crushes starts to generally develop then), then it wouldn't be so... sudden. That hadn't shut down the rabid fans, but oh well.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 11:14:10 GMT -8
I only hate her when paired up with Harry. Also didn't Harry start noticing her when she was kissing ANOTHER boy? And since when did you describe a good feeling like love as a MONSTER in your chest?
I would say more about this but I'm bad with words and I need some time to sort it out.
He wasn't describing his love for Ginny as a Monster, he was describing his Jealousy, don't confuse the two or you'll have lot more to worry about in life than Harry Potter's love interests lol.
I actually think that he started -noticing- Ginny during the 5th book, especially during the DA meetings. He just didn't realize that this notice he was taking of her was actually affection. Which, in my opinion, is reasonable: He was still mooning over cho, but she kinda fell to the wayside because her grieving over Cedic showed that she wasn't capable of handling having Harry in her life, ginny on the other hand was like a rock through all of it, even if she was kinda in the background. It was Ginny that went with him the ministry, and Ginny that fought for him. It was Cho's friend that gave them up, and she continued to stay friends with her after this too. (In the movie, it was cho herself that gave him up to Umbridge, and while I know that was mostly so they didn't have to pay another actor, I think it had significant meaning to Cho's character as well). Then there's the fact that he had a crazy lady carving words into his hand, voldermort plotting to kill him, secret meetings, and training, and his godfather being murdered.
In short, he needed a slap to the face, to wake him up, because his brain just hadn't noticed what his Heart was feeling.
As for Cho vs Ginny? Well, listen to how harry describes the two. Most of the time when he talks about cho, he's talking about her face, what she looks like, and he gets rather annoyed by the things she says and does. With Ginny? He talks about her actions, and things she does, how she does them, and how this makes him feel, and it's usually something positive. Even when she was just running out of the room embarrassed, he would comment how it made her face look like a sunset.
For your infomation I DO know the difference between love and jealousy.
I do not have the ability to create a coherent responds to the rest of your comment, Heartless Hippie, so please forgive me if I do not.
I like Ginny and all but this "letter" was just... they SHOULD be embarrassed. Years from now they might.
I also think that if we had seen the relationship from Ginny's point of view it would've shown a lot more depth to it, considering she was patiently waiting all that time, and that out of all the girls there, her only true competition was Luna, and Hermione, and neither one of them had what Harry was looking for truth be told.
And what exactly would THAT be?
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on May 4, 2011 11:51:03 GMT -8
I also think that if we had seen the relationship from Ginny's point of view it would've shown a lot more depth to it, considering she was patiently waiting all that time, and that out of all the girls there, her only true competition was Luna, and Hermione, and neither one of them had what Harry was looking for truth be told.
And what exactly would THAT be?
Well, let's look at his choices, and who he choose.
Hermione, to begin with, she smart, she's pretty, she's a great friend to him, she's fought with him and for him. However, she doesn't understand quidditch, and while she stands up for a cause, and fights for friends, she's quick to ignore things, and not defend herself or pick fights, she plays by the rules. That's not a bad thing for Hermione, it's actually makes her a really good person, but it's not what Harry's looking for romantically. It does make her a good friend though, someone different from himself.
Luna, She's smart, she's pretty, she's a good friend to him, and she'll stand up and fight for him, she'll follow him anywhere, and he couldn't ask for a more loyal forthcoming friend. She doesn't hide what she's thinking and she's completely unapologetic for her beliefs. However, she's weird because of her own brand of logic, and she allows people to steal her stuff, and make fun of her, and it doesn't outwardly seem to bother her, but it bother's harry, and he would be more like her protector and friend than her boyfriend.
Cho, we've already talked about her, she's just a pretty face, and not much more is shown beyond that, and after the death of Cedric she shows she's completely unable of coping with the life and death choices that Harry is constantly having to contend with, and I think that's what really did their relationship in in the end.
Ginny, Ginny is smart, like Hermione, she's probably smartest of her year, She's tough, she'll not only fight for Harry, she'll stand beside him and hold her own, she doesn't take crap from anyone and will soon as Hex you as look at you. She's pretty, amazingly pretty if her actress is anything to go by, and she's not only intelligent but she has wand work to back it up. She's her mother's daughter through and through, and I think that has a lot to do with it as well.
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Post by Lovely Kiss on May 5, 2011 0:42:36 GMT -8
Well, let's look at his choices, and who he choose.
Hermione, to begin with, she smart, she's pretty, she's a great friend to him, she's fought with him and for him.
So far a great canditate. In fact, Hermione is the ONLY friend of his I'd say has been there for him through it all. Never turning her back on him like SOMEONE [Ron.] I'd even go so far as to say Hermione to be Harry's best friend. Or at least she SHOULD be deemed so.
However, she doesn't understand quidditch,
Big deal. Sports aren't everything. Besides, she's HERMIONE GRANGER. She understands it fine. She just doesn't care for it's particularly barbaric nature, but she loves her friends and attends the games and supports Harry anyways so what does it matter?
and while she stands up for a cause, and fights for friends, she's quick to ignore things, and not defend herself or pick fights, she plays by the rules.
Well maybe she does sometimes, I can't recall her ignoring things since she's usually the one who remembers them but I can't say right now. Hermione doesn't defend herself? Gee I forgot she's the one who crawls into a corner and bawls while her manly friends deal with her problems. I completely forgot how she proudly states her status as a mudblood and smacking malfoy for being an arse. I forget her arguments with Ron, Harry and that kinda famous one with Ginny. And Hermione doesn't always play by the rules in fact she'd become a lot more reckless as the years went by.
That's not a bad thing for Hermione, it's actually makes her a really good person, but it's not what Harry's looking for romantically. It does make her a good friend though, someone different from himself.
Hermione sticks up for her friends, herself, and others. She is loyal, kind, caring, will fight and die for Harry, will always be by his side no matter what. Puts his well being and his life above her own, even sacrificing her family knowing she may not find them again, or they might even have another life if she ever does. Still not seeing how she wouldn't fit with him. Especially since she even shared a moment noone else ever shared with him. Hermione and Harry visited Godric's Hollow together. Where it all began. He first saw his parents grave with her, it was obviously meaningful for him and she was a part of it.
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Luna, She's smart, she's pretty, she's a good friend to him, and she'll stand up and fight for him, she'll follow him anywhere, and he couldn't ask for a more loyal forthcoming friend.
Sounds good so far.
She doesn't hide what she's thinking and she's completely unapologetic for her beliefs.
Good. Harry needs someone whose firm in what they believe in. This is someone who he will never have to worry about changing their damn mind when things get too tough to handle. A clearly strong, silent type of woman. She doesn't give a crap what you think, Luna knows who she is and will be exactly that until the day she dies.
However, she's weird because of her own brand of logic,
She's weird because she believes in the impossible. She believes in things other people don't, but it's because of this that Harry found he could believe in the impossible too. He was fascinated by Luna being able to have such a strong belief even without logic that Hermione enjoys throwing at people. She's unique, not weird. It's because of her openmindedness that she became so famous in her career. She is able to see and understand what others aren't able to because their mind isn't in the clouds enough. She thinks outside the box.
and she allows people to steal her stuff, and make fun of her, and it doesn't outwardly seem to bother her,
Then it shouldn't bother anyone else. Luna isn't weak. Petty, immature things like stealing and making fun doesn't bug her because it's just people being people. They don't like what they don't understand, that's general knowledge. Luna knows who she is she doesn't need to impress anyone. Luna is most likely the type who believes if people are worth the time, they'll be there. How else did she draw in her friends? She isn't going to settle for being with a group of people who won't accept her for who she is. She'd rather be alone. I say all the more props to her.
but it bother's harry, and he would be more like her protector and friend than her boyfriend.
Luna doesn't need protection. She's a powerful witch all on her own. In the department of mysteries I do happen to remember Harry, Neville and Luna being the final 3 standing. And the entire time, Luna didn't have a scratch on her, despite fighting death eaters. She eventually was knocked out but she was the last to go aside from the chosen one and the other possible chosen one [neville]. Luna hexed Alecto when she was going after Harry. Luna fought Bellatrix alongside Hermione and Ginny.
I still see nothing that he couldn't like for her or Hermione. Or what make's Ginny better aside from Quidditch?
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Cho, we've already talked about her, she's just a pretty face, and not much more is shown beyond that, and after the death of Cedric she shows she's completely unable of coping with the life and death choices that Harry is constantly having to contend with, and I think that's what really did their relationship in in the end.
-------------------------------------------- That is some ol' bullshit. Cho is NOT just a pretty face. Maybe Cho isn't as strong as Harry but who the hell in the books IS? How many people could you name in the story that could lose as much as Harry has and still be strong? I highly doubt even Ginny. When she thought Harry was dead, she was a wreck thinking he'd actually died. How do you know Cho didn't feel the same for Cedric? When you care about someone and something happens to them, especially if they die, you aren't just going to be fine with it. Harry showed grief in his own way. He didn't cry about it the whole time, but crying doesn't make you weak. He knew he needed to move on and even though Cho didn't do it as fast as he did, The next time she showed up she was apparently fine. What brought their relationship to an end was Harry's unwillingness to open up to her about Cedric's death. Something he witnessed and she bore a heavy heart to, the one person who MOST needed to hear about it, and he wouldn't give.
Cho may not have "attitude" and "totally rebellious" about her like Ginny's fire-temper and whatnot, but that doesn't mean she isn't capable. Cho joined the D.A did she not? She joined the battle of hogwarts, not everyone answered their coins when they were summoned but she did, and she really didn't have to. But Cho said back in book 5 that she was going to fight. Her motivation I believe was to finally be able to avenge the death of the boy she cared about.
Cho forgave her friend yes, but I do remember that Marietta was Cho's only friend at the time. Her "friends" who normally surrounded her were nowhere in sight, most likely because Cho was being human and grieving and not being 'popular'. So they ditched her. Naturally she hung onto the one person she had left. And at least Marietta listened. At least we'd have to assume. Cho's life back in that book was actually saddening, she found out who her friends were I guess. Cho forgave Marietta for betraying her to Umbridge, but so what? She didn't rat them out herself. Cho is loyal to those she cares for obviously, even if they're in the wrong.
I can forgive her for that because when it all comes down to it, who would anyone else choose? Their family, or some group? I'd choose my damn family they come first! Marietta's mother's job was threatened, and in those upcoming times that wouldn't have been the least bit helpful. Having her daughter being an associate to an underground association trying to help fight against the Ministry? Would that have really been a smart thing for Mrs. Edgecombe's daughter to do? Get her family in trouble for? Family is supposed to be so darn important, so was Marietta really wrong for it? If their families had potential of being endangered, would Ron or Hermione have done any different? I know Ron wouldn't because Ron's turned his back on Harry before. Yet Harry forgives him.
Oh and also, Harry never just liked Cho's looks. If anything that was Ginny. Everything with Ginny was admiring her eyes or her hair or her freckles or her face. He described Cho as a pretty girl with long, shiny raven hair. That's what I remember. Ginny was "FIRE-RED HAIR, BRIGHT BROWN EYES, LONG MANE, RED AS THE RISING SUN FACE when blushing" and whatnot.
He enjoyed Cho's company. He geniunely did. When they were not discussing Cedric at that point they were FINE.
(“What about your parents?” asked Harry. “Well, they’ve forbidden me to get on the wrong side of Umbridge too,” said Cho, drawing herself up proudly. “But if they think I’m not going to fight You-Know-Who after what happened to Cedric-”) ------------ The subject of Quidditch World Cup carried them all the way down the drive and out through the gates. Harry could hardly believe how easy it was to talk to her. No more difficult in fact, than talking to Ron and Hermione, and he was just starting to feel confident and cheerful when a large gang of Slytherin girls passed them, including Pansy Parkinson.
Cho never made fun of Harry, never turned her back on him when others were wearing Potter Stinks badges, never thought he was loony or anything. She even tried to apologize about her friend later but Harry was still mad that she was even still friends with her, completely disregarding the situation she might have been in.
Harry thought only of himself throughout that entire book and it was only at the end when Luna lost her stuff did he finally look outside his own problems and see that HEY! Guess he's not the only one with friggin problems. But at that point he was over Cho. Or at least he thought more things were important than a crush he had. They didn't get to know each other well, But I don't think that's her fault. They were together at a VERY bad time. I think Cho's a great character. She loves quidditch, her friends, she loyal she's sensitive yes, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, yeah Harry doesn't like when people cry but he obviously can't deal with it. Naturally he'd have to deal with it later since hey he's got 3 kids. He'd have to eventually. But i digress.
Cho is great.
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Ginny, Ginny is smart, like Hermione, she's probably smartest of her year,
Well we can only assume since who else do we know? Well there's Luna but we haven't got much info on either one of their class work.
She's tough, she'll not only fight for Harry, she'll stand beside him and hold her own,
Like Hermione and Luna.
she doesn't take crap from anyone and will soon as Hex you as look at you.
Which is actually kind of scary. That...temper a good thing? I thought Harry needs something to sizzle that occasional fiery temper of his, not ignite it more. I sense fights in the future.
She's pretty, amazingly pretty if her actress is anything to go by, and she's not only intelligent but she has wand work to back it up. She's her mother's daughter through and through, and I think that has a lot to do with it as well.
Again she's pretty, pretty. Good actress, smart and good with a wand. What makes her good for Harry?
Oh yeah.
She's pretty.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on May 5, 2011 10:50:17 GMT -8
Well, let's look at his choices, and who he choose.
Hermione, to begin with, she smart, she's pretty, she's a great friend to him, she's fought with him and for him.
So far a great canditate. In fact, Hermione is the ONLY friend of his I'd say has been there for him through it all. Never turning her back on him like SOMEONE [Ron.] I'd even go so far as to say Hermione to be Harry's best friend. Or at least she SHOULD be deemed so.
However, she doesn't understand quidditch,
Big deal. Sports aren't everything. Besides, she's HERMIONE GRANGER. She understands it fine. She just doesn't care for it's particularly barbaric nature, but she loves her friends and attends the games and supports Harry anyways so what does it matter?
and while she stands up for a cause, and fights for friends, she's quick to ignore things, and not defend herself or pick fights, she plays by the rules.
Well maybe she does sometimes, I can't recall her ignoring things since she's usually the one who remembers them but I can't say right now. Hermione doesn't defend herself? Gee I forgot she's the one who crawls into a corner and bawls while her manly friends deal with her problems. I completely forgot how she proudly states her status as a mudblood and smacking malfoy for being an arse. I forget her arguments with Ron, Harry and that kinda famous one with Ginny. And Hermione doesn't always play by the rules in fact she'd become a lot more reckless as the years went by.
That's not a bad thing for Hermione, it's actually makes her a really good person, but it's not what Harry's looking for romantically. It does make her a good friend though, someone different from himself.
Hermione sticks up for her friends, herself, and others. She is loyal, kind, caring, will fight and die for Harry, will always be by his side no matter what. Puts his well being and his life above her own, even sacrificing her family knowing she may not find them again, or they might even have another life if she ever does. Still not seeing how she wouldn't fit with him. Especially since she even shared a moment noone else ever shared with him. Hermione and Harry visited Godric's Hollow together. Where it all began. He first saw his parents grave with her, it was obviously meaningful for him and she was a part of it.
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Luna, She's smart, she's pretty, she's a good friend to him, and she'll stand up and fight for him, she'll follow him anywhere, and he couldn't ask for a more loyal forthcoming friend.
Sounds good so far.
She doesn't hide what she's thinking and she's completely unapologetic for her beliefs.
Good. Harry needs someone whose firm in what they believe in. This is someone who he will never have to worry about changing their damn mind when things get too tough to handle. A clearly strong, silent type of woman. She doesn't give a crap what you think, Luna knows who she is and will be exactly that until the day she dies.
However, she's weird because of her own brand of logic,
She's weird because she believes in the impossible. She believes in things other people don't, but it's because of this that Harry found he could believe in the impossible too. He was fascinated by Luna being able to have such a strong belief even without logic that Hermione enjoys throwing at people. She's unique, not weird. It's because of her openmindedness that she became so famous in her career. She is able to see and understand what others aren't able to because their mind isn't in the clouds enough. She thinks outside the box.
and she allows people to steal her stuff, and make fun of her, and it doesn't outwardly seem to bother her,
Then it shouldn't bother anyone else. Luna isn't weak. Petty, immature things like stealing and making fun doesn't bug her because it's just people being people. They don't like what they don't understand, that's general knowledge. Luna knows who she is she doesn't need to impress anyone. Luna is most likely the type who believes if people are worth the time, they'll be there. How else did she draw in her friends? She isn't going to settle for being with a group of people who won't accept her for who she is. She'd rather be alone. I say all the more props to her.
but it bother's harry, and he would be more like her protector and friend than her boyfriend.
Luna doesn't need protection. She's a powerful witch all on her own. In the department of mysteries I do happen to remember Harry, Neville and Luna being the final 3 standing. And the entire time, Luna didn't have a scratch on her, despite fighting death eaters. She eventually was knocked out but she was the last to go aside from the chosen one and the other possible chosen one [neville]. Luna hexed Alecto when she was going after Harry. Luna fought Bellatrix alongside Hermione and Ginny.
I still see nothing that he couldn't like for her or Hermione. Or what make's Ginny better aside from Quidditch?
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Cho, we've already talked about her, she's just a pretty face, and not much more is shown beyond that, and after the death of Cedric she shows she's completely unable of coping with the life and death choices that Harry is constantly having to contend with, and I think that's what really did their relationship in in the end.
-------------------------------------------- That is some ol' bullshit. Cho is NOT just a pretty face. Maybe Cho isn't as strong as Harry but who the hell in the books IS? How many people could you name in the story that could lose as much as Harry has and still be strong? I highly doubt even Ginny. When she thought Harry was dead, she was a wreck thinking he'd actually died. How do you know Cho didn't feel the same for Cedric? When you care about someone and something happens to them, especially if they die, you aren't just going to be fine with it. Harry showed grief in his own way. He didn't cry about it the whole time, but crying doesn't make you weak. He knew he needed to move on and even though Cho didn't do it as fast as he did, The next time she showed up she was apparently fine. What brought their relationship to an end was Harry's unwillingness to open up to her about Cedric's death. Something he witnessed and she bore a heavy heart to, the one person who MOST needed to hear about it, and he wouldn't give.
Cho may not have "attitude" and "totally rebellious" about her like Ginny's fire-temper and whatnot, but that doesn't mean she isn't capable. Cho joined the D.A did she not? She joined the battle of hogwarts, not everyone answered their coins when they were summoned but she did, and she really didn't have to. But Cho said back in book 5 that she was going to fight. Her motivation I believe was to finally be able to avenge the death of the boy she cared about.
Cho forgave her friend yes, but I do remember that Marietta was Cho's only friend at the time. Her "friends" who normally surrounded her were nowhere in sight, most likely because Cho was being human and grieving and not being 'popular'. So they ditched her. Naturally she hung onto the one person she had left. And at least Marietta listened. At least we'd have to assume. Cho's life back in that book was actually saddening, she found out who her friends were I guess. Cho forgave Marietta for betraying her to Umbridge, but so what? She didn't rat them out herself. Cho is loyal to those she cares for obviously, even if they're in the wrong.
I can forgive her for that because when it all comes down to it, who would anyone else choose? Their family, or some group? I'd choose my damn family they come first! Marietta's mother's job was threatened, and in those upcoming times that wouldn't have been the least bit helpful. Having her daughter being an associate to an underground association trying to help fight against the Ministry? Would that have really been a smart thing for Mrs. Edgecombe's daughter to do? Get her family in trouble for? Family is supposed to be so darn important, so was Marietta really wrong for it? If their families had potential of being endangered, would Ron or Hermione have done any different? I know Ron wouldn't because Ron's turned his back on Harry before. Yet Harry forgives him.
Oh and also, Harry never just liked Cho's looks. If anything that was Ginny. Everything with Ginny was admiring her eyes or her hair or her freckles or her face. He described Cho as a pretty girl with long, shiny raven hair. That's what I remember. Ginny was "FIRE-RED HAIR, BRIGHT BROWN EYES, LONG MANE, RED AS THE RISING SUN FACE when blushing" and whatnot.
He enjoyed Cho's company. He geniunely did. When they were not discussing Cedric at that point they were FINE.
(“What about your parents?” asked Harry. “Well, they’ve forbidden me to get on the wrong side of Umbridge too,” said Cho, drawing herself up proudly. “But if they think I’m not going to fight You-Know-Who after what happened to Cedric-”) ------------ The subject of Quidditch World Cup carried them all the way down the drive and out through the gates. Harry could hardly believe how easy it was to talk to her. No more difficult in fact, than talking to Ron and Hermione, and he was just starting to feel confident and cheerful when a large gang of Slytherin girls passed them, including Pansy Parkinson.
Cho never made fun of Harry, never turned her back on him when others were wearing Potter Stinks badges, never thought he was loony or anything. She even tried to apologize about her friend later but Harry was still mad that she was even still friends with her, completely disregarding the situation she might have been in.
Harry thought only of himself throughout that entire book and it was only at the end when Luna lost her stuff did he finally look outside his own problems and see that HEY! Guess he's not the only one with friggin problems. But at that point he was over Cho. Or at least he thought more things were important than a crush he had. They didn't get to know each other well, But I don't think that's her fault. They were together at a VERY bad time. I think Cho's a great character. She loves quidditch, her friends, she loyal she's sensitive yes, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, yeah Harry doesn't like when people cry but he obviously can't deal with it. Naturally he'd have to deal with it later since hey he's got 3 kids. He'd have to eventually. But i digress.
Cho is great.
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Ginny, Ginny is smart, like Hermione, she's probably smartest of her year,
Well we can only assume since who else do we know? Well there's Luna but we haven't got much info on either one of their class work.
She's tough, she'll not only fight for Harry, she'll stand beside him and hold her own,
Like Hermione and Luna.
she doesn't take crap from anyone and will soon as Hex you as look at you.
Which is actually kind of scary. That...temper a good thing? I thought Harry needs something to sizzle that occasional fiery temper of his, not ignite it more. I sense fights in the future.
She's pretty, amazingly pretty if her actress is anything to go by, and she's not only intelligent but she has wand work to back it up. She's her mother's daughter through and through, and I think that has a lot to do with it as well.
Again she's pretty, pretty. Good actress, smart and good with a wand. What makes her good for Harry?
Oh yeah.
She's pretty.
There's a difference between comprehending a sport, and understanding it. She has a working knowledge of the sport, yes, but she doesn't understand things about it, how important it is, and just simply allowing them to play and supporting that decision isn't enough for Harry, he says so himself in the books. It's in the Fourth Book when she calls a quidditch move by the wrong name. Harry said he cringed at the thought of what Ron would say if he heard her call it that. It's a Big deal for Harry, and since he's the one making the choice, it matters.
She doesn't ever stand up for herself until the 7th book. Even when she hit Malfoy in the face, she was doing it because she was defending Hagrid, because Malfoy had gotten Buckbeak sentenced to death, not because of some injustice that he had done to Hermione herself. All through the fourth book when people thought Hermione and Harry were loves she would whisper to harry constantly anytime someone said something to him "Just ignore it" and Harry states that this was annoying to him almost as much as people picking on him. No, Hermione always uses her cool intellect to win arguments she's forced into, her logic is the weapon, never does she defend herself with her wand work.
There are things that people share with their friends that they would never share with anyone else, as you said, they are best friends, that is what they are there for, the support, but that does not instantly imply romantic intimacy. There is Love there to be sure, but Harry and Hermione both make it clear that it's not romantic love. Besides, I believe it's Ron that makes Hermione start to stand up for herself, and it's Hermione that makes Ron start caring for others so much, its why they make a good couple.
-You- say it shouldn't bother anyone else, but it obviously -does- bother Harry. He's a Protector, almost everything he does is in the defense of other people, he gave his own life away to save his family, his friends, his school, his world. So when someone does a friend of his wrong, it bothers him, no matter how petty.
I know she can take care of herself, and you know it, and I think Harry begins to comprehend that when she doesn't take his offer for help finding her things, but I don't think he truly understands it as completely as we do, looking from the outside in. Like I said, They -all- (but Cho) have fought For and With Harry. That doesn't negate the fact that he still tries to protect them all (even Ron, and fred and george) whenever he can. Ginny is the only one that Holds her own. Not that Hermione and Luna aren't capable of defending themselves, but Ginny takes the cake. You don't see it, but apparently -Harry- See's it.
To be Honest with you, out of all of the pairings, I think Luna and Harry would be the most interesting, but I don't think it's the most likely.
I'm sure Cho has quite the personality, but I'm point out is that we don't get to see much of it in the books, because most of the time Harry views her at such a distance the only thing he can see of her is her face, he doesn't even know her friends or anything. Then, when he does get close to her, she's constantly grieving about Cedric. This grief doesn't make her -weak- but it does mean that she already has too much to deal with in her life than to deal with the losses that Harry is going to have to face. Harry, being the protector that he is, isn't going to ask her to go through anymore of it.
Er... Cho didn't answer her coin in the 6th Book, that was only Neville and Luna. Though of course you mean in the 7th book, but I think it's important to note the above. You have to consider how strongly Harry feels about friends betraying their friends, after all that's exactly how his parents died. I think even over something small like this it would've been an issue for him.
Yes, Harry describes what Ginny looks like, but he's mostly talking about what she looks like when she's -doing- something, and it's more his attention on her actions that draw his eye into looking at her.
I think most of Harry's Problem with Cho, is that he was always going to be playing Second Fiddle to Cedric. She seemed to care way more about Cedric, and wanted to talk to Harry more about Cedric than anything else. Harry just didn't know how to handle that. That, of course, also comes down to bad timing, Harry just didn't ask her out first.
We know through her actions, how well she's done in the DA, I believe she and Luna both produced a patronus before Hermione, it being the only spell that Hermione has trouble with of course. Her wand work was especially effective at he ministry, both in the movie and in the books, as well as in the 6th Book and during the Battle of Hogwarts. It kept her alive, where many other adult wizards had fallen.
No. Not like Luna and Hermione. Neither one of them are 'tough' in the sense that Ginny is Tough. Both Luna and Hermione are only children (no siblings, I mean), they've never had to fight for anything in their life before they met Harry. Luna and Hermione, are Strong, but when it gets down to the Nitty Gritty, Ginny is -tough-. There's a subtle but appreciative difference. She shows this not only in her other relationships with Men, where she doesn't let sore losers and men who try to help her too much stay by her side, but also in her fights where she hex that boy on the train.
No, what Harry needs is a rock, which Ginny is capable of being, something that with hermione he has stated she can't be, she's not ron, as he puts it. With luna, he just feels awkward because of the things she says and does. Also, from what we see with Hermione and Ron, arguments are not a bad thing for a relationship. Having someone who will stand up to you and force you to see their side of the discussion is not a bad thing.
What makes her good for Harry is the fact that she's tough, he can rely on her, and her personality suits his own where everyone else's doesn't. She's like a girl version of Ron, but also she's like a miniature version of Molly. That is important because Molly is like a Surrogate Mother to harry. You know what they say, Girls are always looking for a Daddy figure and Boys are always looking for a girl that will take care of them like their mother did. That doesn't always run true, but I think in the case of Ginny and Harry it does. I think Harry responded to Molly's attention as a mother at the end of the Fourth book really strongly. Then, in the 5th book he starts 'noticing' Ginny a lot more.
And of course, she's a redhead, who doesn't like redheads? Personally, between a Brunette, a Blonde, and a Redhead? I'd go for the ginger.
(Please keep in mind, I'm not trying to put down or insult any women in the Books, I like them all, and I think all of these pairings are interesting, but obviously Ginny won out somehow, and I'm giving my opinion on how.)
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