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Post by Mia Garossa on Aug 12, 2011 21:16:31 GMT -8
Shucks! I was fooled, but I had lulz after. And then I read Midnight Pleasures. And then I loled on the first few instances because it was inevitable.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Aug 13, 2011 12:13:46 GMT -8
Given how much Bella went on and on about how hot Edward is, in combination with the fact that this all started off as a wet dream of Meyer's...yeah, already knew he was little more than a boytoy/sex toy/arm candy.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Aug 13, 2011 12:26:35 GMT -8
Given how much Bella went on and on about how hot Edward is, in combination with the fact that this all started off as a wet dream of Meyer's...yeah, already knew he was little more than a boytoy/sex toy/arm candy. Exactly. That is Twilight in a nutshell: soft-core porn for women with a hint of soap opera drama
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Post by vampirekites on Aug 13, 2011 12:32:17 GMT -8
^And with worse storylines.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Aug 13, 2011 14:43:26 GMT -8
^^We can't even say there was any real drama. The only "drama" involved seemed to be that caused by Edward and Bella themselves, supposedly to add to the "forbidden love" aspect. I mentioned this in another thread regarding limerence, but a notable aspect of this style of love is that it grows by perceived obstacles or difficulties in one's feelings being requited. The constant emotional runaround Edward gives Bella only makes her want him more, but if we removed that aspect of the plot, we'd be lacking in any "drama" for the plot because there is literally NOTHING ELSE holding them back from getting together.
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Post by Mia Garossa on Aug 13, 2011 21:36:50 GMT -8
Like watching a cat chase its own tail? Is that an appropriate comparison?
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Post by vampirekites on Aug 13, 2011 21:39:15 GMT -8
This is so fucking true. It's like SMeyer couldn't use any real emotions, just hackneyed tv drama types. I seriously think she modeled Twilight after a Lifetime tv movie, because both rely on overly dramatic scenes, cliched love and the most boring characters ever created.
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Post by Mia Garossa on Aug 13, 2011 21:43:42 GMT -8
I just think she's a 30-year old teenage girl. We've seen and read the prom articles; having a slumber party with the girls, having proms, the way she talks in the interviews...
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Post by Ravu on Jan 22, 2012 7:18:32 GMT -8
sad
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Post by makoeyes on Mar 9, 2012 10:49:12 GMT -8
I'm afraid I can't raise my hand. See, I knew that Edward was meant to be Bella's sex toy well before then. Hell yes! XD I was calling it soft porn before BD ever came out. XD All kinds of love? Really SMeyer? Bells is with Wardo just because he can make her into a Meyerpire and he looks pretty. Wardo abuses and mind fucks Bells into insanity (literally... I'm looking at you, New Moon). Imprinting is just pure slavery for BOTH parties. Bella treats Charlie and her mother like shit. The Cullens act like strangers to each other, so there goes familial love. Charlie genuinely gives a shit about Bella but she treats him like crap. Pretty much the only healthy affection we have between cahracters are the insignificant humans and the minor Cullens. On the original topic, while it's impossible to say things for sure about SMeyer's life, that looks like the best conclusion. She's just had things easy her entire boring life. This won't necessarily make one into an idiot. In fact the favorite of my characters has up to this point had a very easy and spoiled life but despite this he has a deepset compassion and empathy for others that's just beautiful. This doesn't seem to be the case with SMeyer however, or at least it certainly doesn't show in her writing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 12:47:18 GMT -8
^Yeah. The trope of being spoiled, while being very kind and empathetic is "Spoiled Sweet." Unfortunately, Bella is spoiled rotten. Don't know about Meyer, but, if her interviews and what she says about actually good literature says anything, she's not the nicest person around.
I agree with everyone on this thread. The books are stagnant and boring. Nothing ever happens. The only reason the fans like it is due to the way the text being written allows them to mentally self-insert themselves into the story. Unfortunately, as brought up in another thread, it leaves whole swaths of the population out of the loop (basically, anyone who isn't part of a privileged group gets screwed over with these stories).
It resembles Mary Sue/Gary Stu fanfiction that is particularly popular. I'll speak as a Resident Evil fan, since that's one of the fandoms I hang around while also reading fanfic from it. A common concept used is the idea of someone being sucked into the games (either they go through all of them or they go through just 4 or just 5). They retain their memory of the events of the game(s) and use it to their advantage. Now, this concept done well would bring up various philosophical/ethical implications (hey, you know when everyone dies; are you just gonna sit back and let them?), along with implications about the nature of the universe. But most completely ignore it, in favor of a Protagonist Centered Morality. This same thing happens in Twilight. Bella ignores how many people die to protect her and it's really, really disturbing.
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Post by blackrose97 on Mar 9, 2012 17:18:54 GMT -8
^ Agreed. She is the worst but somehow- in a crazed universe- we are all supposed to kiss her ass. She is literally awful, terrible half human (she isn't a person without Edward, she has admitted to this several times) with no care in the world. She is judgmental and snipey but somehow, she is the mature one. Like Smeyer her self. Smeyer makes these swipes at Harry Potter and other couples from classic lit without fully understanding them and think she deserves a cookie. She believes she is the bigger person but in reality she is just stroking her throbbing ego and deluding herself into believing that she is awesome. Smeyer is immature and moody and throws bitch fits when she doesn't get her way. She mistreats her fans and abuse their support. She doesn't care to better herself in anyway. She uses her brother as an attack dog when people get to mean. Smeyer is obnoxious and self-centered. She whines and bitches all the time.
Who does that sound like?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 7:59:55 GMT -8
I believe Meyer unintentionally revealed the worst aspects of her own personality when she wrote Bella as a character. All the internal bitching, whining, selfishness, arrogance, ego-centricity, and superiority that Bella expresses in her narration is a reflection of Meyer's true character. Especially since she portrays her to be this great person and not as a truly flawed character. I don't think she intended everyone to see through all her transparency. She is that unaware, and she gave herself away. I deduce that Meyer is as shitty a person as Bella is.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Sept 14, 2013 9:08:27 GMT -8
I believe Meyer unintentionally revealed the worst aspects of her own personality when she wrote Bella as a character. All the internal bitching, whining, selfishness, arrogance, ego-centricity, and superiority that Bella expresses in her narration is a reflection of Meyer's true character. Especially since she portrays her to be this great person and not as a truly flawed character. I don't think she intended everyone to see through all her transparency. She is that unaware, and she gave herself away. I deduce that Meyer is as shitty a person as Bella is. That's the problem with most self-insert Mary Sues . . . this is not only fantasy -- but revenge fantasy. This is them getting back at all the "bitches" and "hoes" who wronged them by being judgmental towards their actions, hoping the audience will too, and hoping that it will make a big sting at the girls. It works for girls who are in their tweens and bitter old women still having a funk about their high school days, but it doesn't work for the rest of the people who have learned to move on. All they see is a whiny, bitter old woman/bitchy, self entitled brat and ignore them because they don't matter, because they're so pathetic in their negativity. They're the female equivalent to nice guys who trash talk other guys because the girl that he stalked wouldn't date him. They call the other guys "assholes" and "abusive" because they're competition over a girl who doesn't have the balls to man up and talk to. In short, no one likes a negative nanny. People will only tolerate their behavior for so long before they ditch them for their self-induced pity party.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 19:34:30 GMT -8
I believe Meyer unintentionally revealed the worst aspects of her own personality when she wrote Bella as a character. All the internal bitching, whining, selfishness, arrogance, ego-centricity, and superiority that Bella expresses in her narration is a reflection of Meyer's true character. Especially since she portrays her to be this great person and not as a truly flawed character. I don't think she intended everyone to see through all her transparency. She is that unaware, and she gave herself away. I deduce that Meyer is as shitty a person as Bella is. That's the problem with most self-insert Mary Sues . . . this is not only fantasy -- but revenge fantasy. This is them getting back at all the "bitches" and "hoes" who wronged them by being judgmental towards their actions, hoping the audience will too, and hoping that it will make a big sting at the girls. It works for girls who are in their tweens and bitter old women still having a funk about their high school days, but it doesn't work for the rest of the people who have learned to move on. All they see is a whiny, bitter old woman/bitchy, self entitled brat and ignore them because they don't matter, because they're so pathetic in their negativity. They're the female equivalent to nice guys who trash talk other guys because the girl that he stalked wouldn't date him. They call the other guys "assholes" and "abusive" because they're competition over a girl who doesn't have the balls to man up and talk to. In short, no one likes a negative nanny. People will only tolerate their behavior for so long before they ditch them for their self-induced pity party. I completely agree. Very well said. It's revenge fantasy.
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Post by EquinoxSolstice92 on Sept 14, 2013 23:52:28 GMT -8
It IS revenge fantasy since in Twilight bad things happen every blonde who are bitches towards Bella. Anyone remember Lauren? She's that blonde girl who likes Tyler but doesn't like her back, she cuts her hair, and she was scammed or something. Rosalie is a bitch because she's blonde and she envies Bella. She was also raped before being turned into a vampire.
People have said it before that Meyer has a problem with blondes. She might have been picked on by them when she was younger so that's why she takes out her frustrations on Twilight. Now as a writer, I try not to take out my frustrations in life through my stories because it would be awkward for the readers. If I were to vent my frustrations, I put it on a private journal where no one could read it.
Alice is't treated bad even though she isn't blonde. Leah however, is treated like crap even if she's not blonde.
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Post by arcanius on Sept 15, 2013 0:06:48 GMT -8
Uh sorry "Alice is't treated bad even though she isn't blonde. Leah however, is treated like crap even if she's not blonde. " Could you rephrase that
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Post by EquinoxSolstice92 on Sept 15, 2013 9:54:08 GMT -8
Uh sorry "Alice is't treated bad even though she isn't blonde. Leah however, is treated like crap even if she's not blonde. " Could you rephrase that Well, Twilight fans think Alice and Bella are bffs because Alice kisses Bella's ass. Leah is seen as a bitch even though she has a good reason to be one. What I meant is that even though Leah isn't blonde, she's seen as a bitch.
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Post by arcanius on Sept 15, 2013 10:54:47 GMT -8
Ok, thanks
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Post by theclowhatter on Sept 15, 2013 16:09:16 GMT -8
While reading New Moon on my Kobo, (I'm trying to read the book but I've been hitting myself from the stupidity levels of Bella) I've notice that despite doing 4 months of nothing, Bella refuses to seek help from a shrink. She thinks they'll only help her if she was truthful.
Then she starts inducing episodes via adrenaline rush in order to hear Edward's voice. I find Meyer makes Bella being of high importance, that she won't take help from professionals. I find her petty too if she makes Bella having these delusions as a source of being romantic or something good.
(And yes, I suffer from delusions, but I has my meds and the anger in New Moon with Bella wanting to induce her delusions pisses me off from finishing this stupid book.)
I just find when someone tries to say anything negative to these two people, they can't handle the negativism and will give juvenile insults to berate the naysayer. Or feel they are better.
It's sad really.
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Post by Georgaina on Aug 23, 2014 5:02:49 GMT -8
I have noted that she described the people she went to school with as "barbies", which I think is generally used as a negative term. As in people who, according to others, spend too much time on their looks and have bright blond hair.
We already knew that SMeyer hated blondes, but perhaps she was always jealous of them? I've seen someone else note that the reason Meyer believes her getting a significant increase in attention from boys in college as a good justification for Bella getting it in high school is the simple fact that Meyer was raised as 'an innocent', sexually speaking. As in she is completely and utterly oblivous to the fact that guys tend to look for girls to have sex with in college, whether in a long term relationship or just a simple one night stand. She wasn't so much getting an increase in attention as guys were just passing by her (only a few dates per guy) since she showed no sexual interest.
I always thought that she was misinformed as to why the blonde girls seemed to be getting more attention from guys. Then again, considering Meyer's looks and especially her personality, it's not exactly difficult to be more attractive than her.
As for Leah, I think she's made into a bitch because she opposes Bella. She's quite protective of her friend Jacob, having every right since Bella often hurts him emotionally to the point of abuse. It's not because she's not blonde, but she was just about immortal before Bella, had more powers than Bella and on top of that: she didn't agree with Bella.
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