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Post by blenderbender on Mar 27, 2012 17:21:01 GMT -8
^Oh hellz yeah. Leah Clearwater for Alpha! Her slogan can be "Head bitch in charge- literally!"
Ah yes. Strawman Has A Point. Then again, in this series what strawman doesn't?
Didn't you know? Rules don't apply for Mary-Sues! It's only a heinous crime if OTHERS commit it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 15:58:03 GMT -8
^Quil and Embry evantually joined Jacob's pack, according to the wiki. I love the idea of Leah whipping the boys into shape though, and being a badass vampire hunting team. And rubbing it in Sam's face, of course. ^.^ That's actually how I pictured her becoming the alpha. The more and more Jake ditches his duties as the alpha (and we all know he would), the more often Leah finds herself being unwillingly given responsibilities that rightly belong to Jake. Leah would be ticked off - but she'd do it! The other boys would be annoyed and unwilling yes, but when they saw Leah is the person they have to answer to for something like patrols, then they've really got no choice. In turn, Leah would automatically (and unfairly, I think) have to work her ass off in order to earn the respect of all of the other pack mates. I picture her being hard-headed, logical, and very tactical - but at the same time, she'd have her other pack mates' interest at heart. Depending on how badly Jake would proceed to shirk his duties, Embry, Quil, and Seth might start not being able to trust him anymore (although they'd never tell it to his face), and slowly start going to Leah for things. Jacob's fall and Leah's ascension would revolve around one concept: to earn the right. It also has to deal with who would have the interest of the other wolves at heart. The moment Jake imprinted on Renesmee, any genuine care and well-being he had in mind for his pack sailed out of the window. I honestly believe that in time, that would really show to Leah and the others. As the beta, Leah is forced to pick up Jake's slack. If Leah ever became the Alpha and her pack proved to be more effective than Sam's, I really don't think she'd ever rub it in Sam's face. To be frank, that would be a really immature thing to do, and it wouldn't do her any favors. I think she'd be first and foremost, ticked off that she was forced to share Sam's thoughts again. But she'd focus herself on killing vampires and working with her other pack members effectively. But when push came to shove and Sam ever showed himself to be ineffective with his own pack, Leah would have zero hesitation in calling Sam out on it. ;D I also think that if Leah ever found herself in the position of Alpha, she'd yank the whole pack away from the Cullens without hesitation. Granted, she'd come across opposition from Seth, but she'd still do it. I think she knew that Jake's pack was reduced to being nothing but guard dogs for the Cullens, and she hated it. But it was still significantly better than dealing with Sam, so she bit her tounge the best she could and survived.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 29, 2012 8:24:39 GMT -8
^Will you please write that fic? Pretty please?
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Post by blenderbender on Mar 29, 2012 15:36:24 GMT -8
@localorange - The fact that it hasn't happened truely shows that when Twilight is involved, we can't have nice things. >.<
I know she wouldn't rub it in Sam's face. It probably would've been better phrasing to say "call him out on his crappy Alphaship" but I'm human. I screw up phrasing at times.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 17:08:17 GMT -8
The governing bodies don't work, Chaotic Neutral, because that would cause problems for the Super Speshul Snowflake Mary Sue and how Meyer wanted the plot to go without putting the work in to make sure things go her way in the first place.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Apr 4, 2012 0:01:48 GMT -8
^Then she shouldn't have included the Volturi in the FIRST place. I mean, HELL, half the stuff she had them do was completely pointless or otherwise inconsequential. You DON'T portray someone as the mutherfucking Big Bad if they aren't going to live up to the title!
Why were we supposed to fear Voldemort? Because he was a racist bigot and meglomaniac, and he outright KILLED people--IMPORTANT people, both to show that he was THE badass Big Bad and simply because he felt like it. Why do people fear him? Because despite the very likely insanity, he's good enough at what he does to not only be a powerhouse on his own, but to lead an entire freaking dark army to try and take on the world. And let's face facts: he was doing a damn good job of getting there. He was both powerful AND damn good at strategy.
Why are we supposed to fear the Volturi? Because they're the "leaders" of the vampires and maintain the law. Wait, that sounds like a good thing, otherwise you'd have a bunch of newborns and Immortal Children running amok.
Um...
Oh! They threatened Edward! Who was going to reveal himself by sparkling in the sun in front of a crowd of people, needlessly condemning innocent bystanders to a horrible death in an over-dramatic attempt to kill himself.
Wait...
They killed Bree Tanner! Heartless jerks killed an innocent girl who was forced to become a monster...who technically could have avoided that fate altogether had the Cullens accepted the Volturi's earlier offer to deal with the problem or at least NOT simply sit in a circle around Bella and wait for Victoria to finish making her army and show up to kill them all.
......Hold on.
Oh! They were gonna kill Renesmee!
....You know what? Nevermind. I got nothing.
Maybe it's my personal bias, but I'd like to think that not only would Leah make a MUCH better Alpha than either Sam or Jacob ever could, but she'd also do pretty well as the head of a ruling body. Haver her take out Aro and become a high-ranking member of the Volturi. At least she'd keep the other suckers in line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 5:22:10 GMT -8
What gets me is that Seth is actually seen as one of the decent characters. He's not. I might have considered him as such because his hero worship is almost cute. Except that he trashes his own sister for worrying about his sorry ass and can't manage more than an "I'd mind" when someone considered ending her LIFE. In Seth's defense he did feel bad after telling Leah she ruined everything but he does still fail hard as a brother. I'd be damned if I let a bunch of people sit around and treat my sister like trash. From what I read he never even tried to stand up for her and just assumed she was a bitter bitch like everyone else.
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Post by reniefuwa on Sept 2, 2012 9:23:31 GMT -8
^I personally like to give Seth the benefit of a doubt whenever I can. There's a lot of peer pressure stacked up against his sister. That and the fact that he's by far the youngest in the pack would make speaking up very difficult for him.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Sept 2, 2012 9:55:03 GMT -8
What gets me is that Seth is actually seen as one of the decent characters. He's not. I might have considered him as such because his hero worship is almost cute. Except that he trashes his own sister for worrying about his sorry ass and can't manage more than an "I'd mind" when someone considered ending her LIFE. In Seth's defense he did feel bad after telling Leah she ruined everything but he does still fail hard as a brother. I'd be damned if I let a bunch of people sit around and treat my sister like trash. From what I read he never even tried to stand up for her and just assumed she was a bitter bitch like everyone else. Forgive me if I don't consider him "feeling bad" about his poor decisions to be a good defense. We have way too many instances in the whole of this series of people being excused for doing stupid or horrible things because they supposedly FEEL BAD about doing it while completely neglecting to follow through on actually atoning or otherwise making up for their horrible deeds. Sam "felt bad" about slashing Emily's face off--all I heard about him afterwards was about how great it was that Emily gave into what he wanted and made him feel better about himself. He also "felt bad" about hurting Leah...not that he ever actually DID anything about it other than wish she'd disappear so he wouldn't have to deal with her because she wouldn't be like Emily and make him feel better about himself being a douche. Bella "felt bad" about continuing to use Jacob despite already having chosen Edward, but even admitting her selfishness isn't about to stop her from continuing to do so. reniefuwa: The problem is that we're supposed to like him because he gives into that peer pressure. Or rather, because of his hero-worship of Jacob, who hates Leah.
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Post by writer wannabe on Sept 2, 2012 10:17:26 GMT -8
^In other words, in order to make Seth a sympathetic character, we need him to act on him feeling bad. We need him to try to reach out to his sister again and make up for the shit he's been, we need him fulfilling his duties as a protector of humanity (even if he fails now and then as long as he keeps trying and getting SOME success), and we need him to be a naive child at first to explain some of the hero worship who grows to be his own person and later sees true heroes as just people doing the right thing rather than sitting on their ass until trouble comes knocking on their door.
We need to turn "I feel bad about this" into "I'll do something about this."
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Post by shionsnezumi on Jun 21, 2014 16:59:51 GMT -8
Wow, this thread hasn't been updated in a good two years. I'm not sure how bumping threads or updating old threads work on here, but. Leah is literally my favorite character in this entire series. She dealt with so much crap, and she still didn't give up. I'm about to start a Leah Clearwater fanfiction binge and read as many stories about her as I can, but I'd like to talk about her for a little bit. I don't get why her being the first female wolf isn't important to any of the guys. This is unheard of! She should have been treated amazingly because she has done something that has never been done! But, no. She gets treated like shit, mentally abused, and no one shows any compassion or any sort of positive feelings towards her. I can't think about the crap she went through for too long, or else I'll get upset. Also, I never understood the idea that she can't have kids. Wouldn't her being a werewolf make her be the best candidate to pass on the genes? I get maybe her not being able to have kids while she shifts because it would hurt the potential baby, but if she can't have kids- neither should any of the other wolves! If they are all "frozen in time", they all should be impacted by it. If she can't bare any children, their bodies shouldn't be able to re-produce any sperm. (I have no idea how sperm is made, so if being frozen in time wouldn't impact the sperm, my bad.) I would love to read a fic where it's not just Leah whose body is negatively impacted by the shifting. Now I'm thinking about the idea that with her being a female werewolf, or shiftshaper if you will, she might go through times of being fertile that is closer to an animal or something? I... don't know? I just want to get rid of that "Leah can't have kids, there's something wrong with her" mess that SM made. As I was lurking through this forum, I read on here someone read or wrote a fic where the La Push wolves meet another tribe of wolves (I believe they said European wolves) and how they see Imprinting as a test, and any wolves who wouldn't break the bond wouldn't be allowed in the pack- or something of that natural. I kind of wish I could read it. Sigh. I am going to be forever bitter about Leah and the way she was treated. She deserves so much better.
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Post by Georgaina on Aug 23, 2014 5:16:44 GMT -8
I think the whole underlying reason for Leah not to be able to have children solely rests in the fact that A) she dared to disagree with Bella Sue but B) Meyer didn't want her to end up with Jacob. She wanted Jacob to imprint on Renesmee since right after the first Twilight book (see: Forever Dawn, the sequel that never was). Leah became an obstacle for the "perfect" love between a baby and a teen wolf, so she had to be made infertile to not have her end up with the guy it would make sense for her to be with.
What SMeyer has never realized is that perfect characters aren't interesting. In fact, I'd argue Leah is the most perfect character Meyer has ever created thus far (so much so that it is a miracle in and of itself that MEYER of all people created her), since she is actually flawed and went through actual hardship. Rather, SMeyer seems to think that because Leah has flaws, she is not interesting to the readers and therefore she had another "reason" not to pair her up with Jacob, aside from the obvious wish fulfillment and easy conflict solving Renesmee x Jacob provided.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Aug 26, 2014 20:07:02 GMT -8
But it kind of begs the question as to why Meyer even created Leah in the first place. She already had the supernatural girl who antagonizes Bella in the form of Rosalie and already cursed her with being infertile. Why do the same to the only female of a completely different species to whom those rules do not apply?
I think the real reason Meyer created Leah was to have someone to blame for Jacob getting injured in Eclipse. Jacob just HAD to get injured somehow, but heaven forbid it be doing anything to protect Bella that could make her feel bad or decide to choose him over Edward. Thus, that blame fell to Leah, which actually makes sense given how she's the scapegoat for just about everything else in the series. You could just see it throughout the series. Everything that even mentioned Leah was negative. Every. Single. Time. Needlessly. Pointlessly. Every comment about her was negative. Every statement from her was deemed "cruel" and handwaved despite whatever point she may have had. Her whole purpose in the series was to be hated. There was no other reason to include her.
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Post by arcanius on Aug 27, 2014 0:07:18 GMT -8
So. Who's up for forming up a Team Leah?
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Post by I love LEAH on Aug 11, 2015 16:15:32 GMT -8
Hello, I love LEAH. Do not see it as a "boy", but as a girl who had the same dreams of Emily, but LEAH is forced to become a warrior in spite of himself. Emily is the perfect woman, ma for me she is just a woman much too lucky. Emily is a weak girl who can not or do not want to stay close to her cousin even after. In the end she not proves friend and enjoys the happiness stolen at LEAH. I not see the guilt trip of Emily. She is a soul mate Sam, but unfortunately, as we see in the film, it is the wolf that chooses, not the man. But none of the people around LEAH matter much. That sucks. I Sorry for the bad translation
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Sept 6, 2015 21:06:30 GMT -8
^ Welcome to Team Leah. It has been some time, but we're always happy to have new folks come by.
I agree with you on Emily being weak. She's the perfect housewife and den mother, but neither of those make her a decent person and sadly, they're the only aspects we actually see her having in this series. She has the "perfect" life, all at the expense of her cousin, whom everyone paints as the one in the wrong for being upset about Emily's betrayal. In spite of this and the anger and bitterness everyone says Leah has, Leah is perhaps the only one of the wolves who never actually hurt anyone--which is more than can be said for either Sam or Jacob--and she actually had every reason to be angry enough to do so. What does THAT say about her character?
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Post by elena on Sept 20, 2015 7:19:40 GMT -8
Hello, you want to know something about me Not much to say. My name is Elena, I am Italian and I love LEAH. She is the only character in the series that I love. Along with Demetri (thank at the actor). I have a slight autism and maybe that's why (I hope) I cry worse of the Trevi fountain (I'm not Roman) every time I read the pages dedicated to her in the saga. I'm are an old 28 year old who loves to write fanfiction, draw and paint still lifes ... my favorite subjects (their are motionless).
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Sept 20, 2015 19:22:38 GMT -8
^Nah, I think the reason for the tears may have more to do with just how sad her story is and how badly she was treated by everyone, even the author, for no good reason. I've felt the same way about her. I previously made a thread asking why she even exists in the story if her only purpose is to be considered annoying to everyone else and be hated. While she is an awesome character and seeing someone who will tell Bella off immediately puts her in my top favorite characters of the series, in the whole of Meyer's story, I can see nothing Leah offers that a poor writer and Mary Sue author like Meyer would actually want, other than another punching bag to compare Bella to.
Nice to meet you. I'm also a fanfiction author, though sadly, a good number of my stories I posted on this site were deleted during the transition by the new management and they were the only existing copies I had.
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Post by elena on Sept 21, 2015 2:20:29 GMT -8
Hello, I am very happy to see so many people who love LEAH. And ranging beyond what Meyer wanted to show of the character. I think Meyer wanted to show how not must to be a Mormon girl ... that what stupid. LEAH is the only in the package that comprises the unhappiness of Jacob. The other kids tease Jake for his unrequited love including his friend Embry, except LEAH. The latter is the only one that without knowing Rosalie understands its pain. Someone of the team LEAH will Forks for decades Twilight And maybe you saw talk about of the wonderful LEAH
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Post by elena on Dec 25, 2015 3:17:32 GMT -8
Merry Christmas
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Post by elena on May 3, 2017 12:37:02 GMT -8
Stephenie Meyer sexist? More than sexist and anti-feminist I find it subtle in describing the characters of the saga, especially Sam, Emily and LEAH. This last character has been bribed to the utmost to favor Bella, Emily, Renesmee (everyone loves more than LEAH, all are better than LEAH, all suffer more than LEAH). Not to mention the way it justifies the imprinting of Sam and Emily. I've always found it reprehensible because she has never worked so well with Jared's and Kim's imprinting, Paul's and Jacob's sister. For this last Meyer said his imprinting came because the guy was mature (not to mention that Meyer made sure the boy had it with Renesmee that looks casual is the daughter of the boy's first great love; Reiterate that they too were twin souls). Does this mean? What about getting imprinting to be mature? But if Paul has an irascible character, if Quil considers cool be a wolf boy, a superhero like that of comics. Quil has imprinting despite reasons like a teenager. Meyer detests LEAH and this is clearly seen in the saga. Although the author says that there is no trace of his faith in his books, I have always seen Bella and Emily who fully represent the model of the perfect Mormon girl, but not LEAH. Although I am autistic, it does not mean that it is so delayed that I do not see and understand, and luckily (and I'm happy about this) other people have also noticed Meyer's subtlety and hypocrisy; The way he omits some things and puts him as much but vaguely (even in his interviews). A good example of Christianity. P.S. Bella's biggest problem is not its weakness, but the fact that she does not actually see and feel the pain of others (even though Meyer seeks to show the opposite, especially in Eclipse) just as empathetic and "deeply" good Edward.
I apologize for the bad translation and for venting. When I find something new that guardacaso is not in favor of LEAH, I'm crying...
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Post by elena on May 15, 2017 13:49:41 GMT -8
Wait, did I miss something here? When did Meyer say Leah represented feminists? I don't believe she ever did, and in fact I am skeptical that Leah does represent feminism. Also, note that Leah and Sam are the only couple in the series that we know of who had premarital sex (we've been told that Alice and Jasper and Rosalie and Emmett have been legally wed). And look what happened. She wasn't his real true love! See girls? If you have sex before marriage than you get what you deserve when he leaves you for your cousin because you didn't save your precious gift for your husband and are a slutty tramp. If you hadn't given him free milk maybe he would have bought the cow. I bet you anything Sam and Emily's special and pure love is making them wait to commit that holy, precious act until their wedding night. Excuse me, but where is it written that LEAH have made premarital sex with Sam? Meyer does mean this by describing the Cullen's marriage relationship? And Sam? He is justified because he is a male? Ridiculous, LEAH give up with and for love. Sorry, I've now seen your answer for Mascow
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Post by elena on Nov 11, 2017 0:24:26 GMT -8
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Post by elena on Dec 24, 2017 22:03:56 GMT -8
Merry Christmas
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Post by elena on Apr 22, 2018 1:03:30 GMT -8
Hi, I'm looking for AndYetDuskFades. He wrote on fanfiction.net 3 stories featuring LEAH and DEMETRI. Thank you
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Post by elena on Apr 29, 2018 9:34:37 GMT -8
Is there still someone out there? Did you leave this page?
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Post by elena on Apr 29, 2018 18:45:54 GMT -8
you cry stupid girl
I just read a fanfiction about Sam and Emily ... I'm crying now, because it's impressive the menefreghiso that surrounds LEAH, but it's also horrible as Sam feels for LEAH compared to Emily ... a nice love is sincere becomes something empty, unimportant … ... I can not understand how we can love imprinting. The love the real one is another thing. It's more like what Sam felt for LEAH. Imprinting is a supernatural love, over the top ... a devious and hypocritical thing. I apologize if anyone feels insulted.
Sorry, does not exist corresponding for menfreghismo, let's say that it can be translated with indifference, indolence, apathy, negligence
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