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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on Dec 26, 2010 12:29:02 GMT -8
Does anybody here know of any Russian lullabies?
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Post by tldr on Dec 26, 2010 19:26:30 GMT -8
Cossack Lullaby www.kaikracht.de/balalaika/english/songs/spim_txt.htm This is the one my mom used to sing for me. I'm having trouble finding translations so here's my rough one. Toys are tired Books' asleep Blankets and pillows wait for children Even the storybook goes to sleep, so in the night we can have a good night's rest Bayu Bai
In stories you can swing on the moon (not sure what this lyric means, but I think it has something to do with a horse and riding atop a rainbow) You will befriend an elephant and together you will catch lots of birds Bayu Bai
Bayu Bai All the people need to sleep at night Bayu Bai Tomorrow there will be day again Even if we are still lively, we will say good night and close our eyes Bayu Bai
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 21:43:24 GMT -8
If anyone has some site on how ballistic/traumatic impacts effect the human body, I'd appreciate it. Bullets, shrapnel, concussive force, burns, and so on. Medical resources aren't doing so good for wild-west style violence.
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Post by kendobunny on Dec 30, 2010 8:03:01 GMT -8
For violence, forget what you've seen in the movies. Getting hit with a bullet does not make you fly back dramatically unless it's a big-ass bullet. You just sort of crumple. If you're around a giant explosion, you're not going to be walking away calmly. Your ears are likely to be bleeding, and you're going to feel like your insides have been stirred with a stick. You are not going to be getting up easily. Burns just plain hurt, except for third-degree burns, and the problem with those is infection and the fact that healing from them is painful. Shrapnel wounds are like jagged bullet holes - kind of the worst parts of being shot and stabbed.
Real cowboys know that you don't immediately have to dig out a bullet when you're shot, and the danger of being shot is either blood loss, or severe damage to a major organ. Fiddling around with a bullet hole trying to extract it is likely to damage the surrounding tissue and/or blood vessels. And yeah, medical resources are great for doing realistic violence. Knowing exactly what happens to the human body lets a creative mind extrapolate what it would feel like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 0:20:56 GMT -8
I already know all the basic details. I need to know the specifics- how long, how intense, and how deep the heat must penetrate to achieve exact states of 'burn', how deep shrapnel has to penetrate until your major muscles have been shredded and not operational, the radius in which flash burns from explosions take effect (though really, fragmentation weapons don't rely on concussive force anyways.
And getting hit with a bullet never makes you fly back. The exact amount of recoil the shooter feels is the exact amount of force the receiver feels. Having muscles and balance compromised is what makes the receiver flop over.
And knowing the finer points of starvation and dehydration would be nice, too. As in, what bodily functions begin to fail first.
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Post by kendobunny on Dec 31, 2010 4:56:25 GMT -8
You might fly back if you get hit with, say, a mortar blast, or a shot from a gun that is mounted, rather than held. But that's not really a worry in the wild west... though if you are writing a real western, keep in mind that more violent deaths happened from blunt force trauma than anything.
Everything else you're asking is available in medical journals. You might want to look into the statistics that the Nazis collected, since they got some of the most accurate records of what the human body could withstand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 17:12:45 GMT -8
Medical journals, I know. But I don't have clearance for modern military medicine, unfortunately. I suppose I'll have to make do with researching civilian injuries. Steel mills are as dangerous as war, anyways.
And I don't need homebrew Nazi guesswork from sixty years ago, thanks.
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Post by CandyCoatedCute on Dec 31, 2010 19:15:18 GMT -8
Could someone give me a link or something to guide for Infant milestones? Just stuff like walking and talking. I suck at finding stuff on the internet.
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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on Jan 1, 2011 3:23:59 GMT -8
And I don't need homebrew Nazi guesswork from sixty years ago, thanks. Actually, a lot of what the Nazis did was not guesswork. They didn't just execute their prisoners you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 4:25:33 GMT -8
When it comes to the field of medicine, 'having a general idea' is as good as guesswork. Especially when it comes to medical knowledge of the early 20th century.
Besides, in the modern day, we have color pictures and properly isolated experiments and all that good stuff.
So, if anyone has any contemporary field medic-style resources, let me know.
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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on Jan 1, 2011 5:45:31 GMT -8
When it comes to the field of medicine, 'having a general idea' is as good as guesswork. Especially when it comes to medical knowledge of the early 20th century. Besides, in the modern day, we have color pictures and properly isolated experiments and all that good stuff.
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Post by stormcat on Jan 1, 2011 13:46:47 GMT -8
Just got back from Vaccay! But I has some new problems.
In my story, a girl attends a (19th century) costume ball. While their she meets her beloved. Now I want the costumes to match, but in a not-so-typical way. Like they can't go as salt and pepper basically costumes that seem to go together but would be fine on their own (Like maybe a parrot and a pirate)
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Post by Story Keeper on Jan 1, 2011 14:35:38 GMT -8
Hello.
How are telegraph messages/telegrams layed out?
P.S. Would you be knocked out if someone hit the back of your head hard enough against a tree?
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Post by Story Keeper on Jan 1, 2011 14:38:48 GMT -8
Just got back from Vaccay! But I has some new problems. In my story, a girl attends a (19th century) costume ball. While their she meets her beloved. Now I want the costumes to match, but in a not-so-typical way. Like they can't go as salt and pepper basically costumes that seem toe go together but would be fine on their own (Like maybe a parrot and a pirate) Maybe an eagle and a mouse if it's a masquerade ball.
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Post by stormcat on Jan 1, 2011 14:41:14 GMT -8
Just got back from Vaccay! But I has some new problems. In my story, a girl attends a (19th century) costume ball. While their she meets her beloved. Now I want the costumes to match, but in a not-so-typical way. Like they can't go as salt and pepper basically costumes that seem toe go together but would be fine on their own (Like maybe a parrot and a pirate) Maybe an eagle and a mouse if it's a masquerade ball.
Yeah, It's a masquerade ball. But that eagle and mouse thing implies one is preying on the other. I want them to be equals.
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Post by Story Keeper on Jan 1, 2011 15:09:45 GMT -8
Maybe an eagle and a mouse if it's a masquerade ball.
Yeah, It's a masquerade ball. But that eagle and mouse thing implies one is preying on the other. I want them to be equals. Why not try a dog and a wolf...or something?
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Post by stormcat on Jan 1, 2011 15:46:06 GMT -8
Yeah, It's a masquerade ball. But that eagle and mouse thing implies one is preying on the other. I want them to be equals. Why not try a dog and a wolf...or something?[/color][/quote] No no! That's not a pair at all! I was thinking of "things that you automatically associate with this thing." Like if someone thinks "Frog" one automatically assumes the frog's on a lillypad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 16:39:03 GMT -8
P.S. Would you be knocked out if someone hit the back of your head hard enough against a tree? If it's enough to give you a concussion, then add a little more force and you'll be out cold. Problem, though, is that you'll have headaches, short term memory loss, possibly seizures, and all sorts of fun stuff for about a month afterward.
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Post by kendobunny on Jan 1, 2011 18:57:27 GMT -8
Medical journals, I know. But I don't have clearance for modern military medicine, unfortunately. I suppose I'll have to make do with researching civilian injuries. Steel mills are as dangerous as war, anyways. And I don't need homebrew Nazi guesswork from sixty years ago, thanks. The reason I suggested any Nazi records that are open is because they are the most accurate ideas of human limitations that a civilian can get. The Nazis exposed humans to all kinds of conditions and recorded reactions, the length of time it took them to die, dissected the bodies to record what happened, etc. Also any records that have survived from the Japanese Unit 731 have the same sorts of statistics. And that's the best you're going to get, honestly. As for researching civilian injuries, there are plenty that can be the same as any war zone. But if anyone here did have confidential clearance on medical records, wouldn't they be in trouble if they divulged it? What were you expecting? And stormcat: Animal costumes don't seem very likely for the 1800's. They really loved historical costumes for fancy dress balls, so why not a famous couple with a bit of a subversion to it, like Samson and Delilah, or going very risque, John the Baptist and Salome?
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Post by stormcat on Jan 1, 2011 19:50:27 GMT -8
And stormcat: Animal costumes don't seem very likely for the 1800's. They really loved historical costumes for fancy dress balls, so why not a famous couple with a bit of a subversion to it, like Samson and Delilah, or going very risque, John the Baptist and Salome? No. This takes place in an alternate universe, so these couples never existed. But anyway, I don't want to create a "perfect pair" like that (Because it's embarrassing when two people show up at a party wearing the same outfit!). Just two costumes which look fine on their own, and can be worn alone, but when put together people go "Hey it matches!" Complementary things really.
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Post by kendobunny on Jan 1, 2011 20:45:37 GMT -8
Okay, but animal costumes would be very loose, and historical complements are not the same outfit. But I understand that doesn't work in alternate universes. Almost everything I can think of that's 'this and that' would have been completely inappropriate for a lady to wear to a fancy dress ball - really, as I understand it, if ladies dressed as animals, it would be as butterflies or dragonflies, or something equally ethereal, but dressing as historical or literary characters was the norm.
Maybe make it something that is relevant to the timeline? Or go with an abstract concept, like Love and Peace?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 23:11:29 GMT -8
The reason I suggested any Nazi records that are open is because they are the most accurate ideas of human limitations that a civilian can get. The Nazis exposed humans to all kinds of conditions and recorded reactions, the length of time it took them to die, dissected the bodies to record what happened, etc. Also any records that have survived from the Japanese Unit 731 have the same sorts of statistics. And that's the best you're going to get, honestly. As for researching civilian injuries, there are plenty that can be the same as any war zone. But if anyone here did have confidential clearance on medical records, wouldn't they be in trouble if they divulged it? What were you expecting? I doubt that Unit 731's and Nazi experimentation are the height of military traumatic and pathologic knowledge, available to the civilian sector, anyway, in this age of information. And besides, color pictures. And I'm not asking for Goddamn Soviet nerve gas blueprints. If someone knows a good free source on military medical knowledge within the past twenty five years, that'd be nice. You know, by the time when they realized that radiation hurt.
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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on Jan 2, 2011 1:53:11 GMT -8
You really think that people in this day and age are going to do the sort of limitation pushing experiments that the Nazis performed? If you want info on how far the human body can be pushed, the Nazis and their ilk are the best you're gonna get. Also, colour film was used in scientific experiments.
Does anyone know how patients suffering from delusions would have been treated in the early 1800's?
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Post by kendobunny on Jan 2, 2011 8:09:46 GMT -8
It was kind of luck of the draw with asylums. If your character is fairly well-off and comes from a good family, then they are more likely to be removed to a sanatorium, which was more like a resort behind walls than anything else. Rest cures, hydrotherapy, and nature cures would be the primary method of treatment - a patient may be strapped into a bed or strapped into a tub with early forms of water jets, but for the most part were treated with some sort of dignity. Sometimes rest cures made moderate patients worse, because they were not allowed to exercise their minds in the slighest, and their bodies only very moderately. They would be denied any form of amusement, and spend most of their days in bed, only allowed to get up for slow walks around the gardens, possibly followed by a nurse with a wheelchair, ready to receive them.
For the less well-off, they may have been put in prison instead of an asylum, and would likely have been straitjacketed, tied to a chair, or beaten. There was an idea that the mind would cope better if given painful incentives, so misbehavior was treated quite severely. Someone who was flailing would be tied down and possibly beaten. If they used hydrotherapy, fewer provisions were made for comfort - the patient would always be tied down and could remain in the tub for hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 9:32:48 GMT -8
You really think that people in this day and age are going to do the sort of limitation pushing experiments that the Nazis performed? If you want info on how far the human body can be pushed, the Nazis and their ilk are the best you're gonna get. Not in terms of understanding. Maybe from a basic perspective ("subject does not enjoy knife... subject still does not enjoy knife"), but not from a scientific one. Not cell-by-cell, biochemical-by-biochemical. Hell, life-saving operations show us that as well, with today's technology. These days you can put a mangled body back together and breath life into it- and that's definitely a testament to human staying ability.
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Post by stormcat on Jan 2, 2011 12:39:12 GMT -8
Okay, but animal costumes would be very loose, and historical complements are not the same outfit. But I understand that doesn't work in alternate universes. Almost everything I can think of that's 'this and that' would have been completely inappropriate for a lady to wear to a fancy dress ball - really, as I understand it, if ladies dressed as animals, it would be as butterflies or dragonflies, or something equally ethereal, but dressing as historical or literary characters was the norm. Maybe make it something that is relevant to the timeline? Or go with an abstract concept, like Love and Peace? The only "this and that" concept I can think of is the sun and moon, or Moon and stars. But, just out of curiosity, what are those "inappropriate" costume pair ideas of yours? I'm sure I could make them work anyway.
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Post by kendobunny on Jan 2, 2011 14:31:01 GMT -8
Things like bacon and eggs, salt and pepper, and other silly things like that. I've worked in costumes for a long time, and most couples costumes that aren't people or general concepts tend to be very silly.
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Post by stormcat on Jan 2, 2011 14:40:07 GMT -8
Things like bacon and eggs, salt and pepper, and other silly things like that. I've worked in costumes for a long time, and most couples costumes that aren't people or general concepts tend to be very silly. Ah. I see. Edit: I've got an idea, but how do you dress up like a fig tree?
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Post by Tim Willard on Jan 6, 2011 22:04:30 GMT -8
I can let you know about shrapnel wounds, both first hand and observations.
A light "dusting" of shrapnel has this weird hot wire poking feeling. It may not even bleed, you might just have purple or black specks "embedded" in your skin. Sometimes you don't even feel it, due to adrenaline in the system and your ability to handle damage.
A small piece of shrapnel feels like a stab wound if it's an impact, if it's a slicing hit, it feels like a cut. However, the metal is usually hot, and you might not even feel it, and sometimes the wound doesn't even bleed.
Multiple small pieces of shrapnel depend on where you were hit. A facial hit makes you stagger and shake your head, and definitely rings your bell, but not quite as bad as a hard right in a bar fight. They bleed like hell, but you can keep going. A hard hit, a large piece coming in directly, can and will blow through your facial structure, shattering teeth, slicing into the tongue, and exploding out a different direction rather than straight across.
Heavy shrapnel to the abdomen can devastate the human body. Multiple pieces penetrate the abdominal wall and chest cavity, destroying organs, bouncing off of bones to ricochet in the chest/abdominal cavity. Unlike bullets, shrapnel is jaggedly shaped, on an unstable flight path, usually rotating on all 3 axis. This means when it hits tissue, it can and often does "wander" through the body. Exit wounds are not "clean", the shrapnel usually explodes out of the body, a misshapen piece of medal tumbling on all 3 axis, and this will create unusual and sometimes disproportionate sized holes. Not only that, but sometimes a large piece of shrapnel breaks apart in the body, by hitting a bone, or hydrostatic resistance, or tissue density variances, resulting in one entry wound, multiple exit wounds, and small pieces left in tissue.
A 1993 DARPA test at Fort Hood I attended, we used what they were planning on using as next generation grenades using Semtex or Comp-C series rather than Comp-B series or Comp-C series explosives as the bursting charge, as well as other metals than steel for the grooved wire, as well as different material for the interior casing coating. We tested in on frozen animal carcasses (usually deer roadkill) donated by the local Parks & Wildlife Department, and then followed up with X-Rays as well as some of the other people practicing surgical skills, to determine projectile and shrapnel pathing as well as fragmentation. One thing I took away from it, is shrapnel is difficult to mathematically model or anticipating. It is literally random. Grenades and other fragmentation rounds are particularly useful in rooms and alleyways because if the walls have a sufficient surface tension (concrete, metal), the shrapnel will bounce around, tearing up everything. One test where a grenade was dropped into a Deadlined M1A1 with deer carcasses in it (grisly work setting that up), the amount of damage across the carcasses was catastrophic. One of the DARPA egg-heads told me that the same pieces of shrapnel would graze the bodies repeatedly, or go through a body to burst from it, bounce, graze a second, and then do a devastating low speed impact. All the time the chunk of metal was deforming, the axises changing, and sometimes breaking into smaller pieces on different trajectories.
Heavy shrapnel to the legs/arms can literally tear large chunks of flesh away, leave multiple puncture wounds, and/or break bones, sometimes in multiple places. Now, depending on the person and severity of the wounds, they can keep going, or may not even go down.
One thing to remember is an old saying: Bullets have names on them, shrapnel says "Occupant" or "To Whom it May Concern"
I've personally seen someone 10 feet from a grenade be unscathed while someone else 20 feet away take multiple impacts across their body and be killed. Another thing, literally, is how tough/in shape someone is. Someone who is used to pain, has been trained/learned to handle it, and it in excellent shape and has the right mindset, can power through shrapnel injuries that leave most people writhing and screaming.
Some people will take light "dusting" and be incapacitated by pain, writhing on the ground and seeping blood from a handful or dozens of tiny wounds, while another guy will take the same injuries and keep right on coming at you with blood in their eye. Like shrapnel itself, how badly it affects someone is almost random.
Now, weapons designed to fragment are different that shrapnel from things torn apart by explosives. A building creates random sized shrapnel, from chunks the size of a plasma TV to almost micro-pieces.
Fragmentation rounds may look like normal steel, but the inside of that casing is grooved to cause it to fragment for maximum effect. Additionally, many fragmentation weapons used "grooved wire" inside the round. This is fine wire (think about 10 gauge) that is wound tightly around the explosive, that is grooved across in order to have the wire fragment into 1/4" to 1" chunks. This wire is wound via machine extremely tightly, under pressure. You'd be surprised how much wire fits in a grenade the size of a baseball. (One time a friend and I pulled the fuse and bursting charge from a grenade and ripped it apart. The wire was about 200 feet long)
Fragmentation rounds, like grenades, do NOT have huge explosions. I remember them being as more like "thumps", and the shrapnel doing the work. I remember that a grenade thrown near bushes when "CRACK!" and there was almost no explosion, while the shrapnel denuded the bushes and stripped the bark from some of the trees in about a 10 foot radius. And one piece flew about 50 feet to hit me in forearm, "whickering" across it and leaving an upraised welt with a thin bloody line on it. Flash burns are almost non-existent with grenade explosions, the only time I've seen burning is when the grenade went off virtually in the guy's lap. Anyone farther than a couple of feet away don't really take that much damage from concussion, just concentrated shrapnel.
I hope this answered some questions. If you have more, or need clarification, feel free to ask.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2011 12:57:22 GMT -8
Does/has anyone here ever lived in a village or smallish place in the country? I need a witness account of what life is like (the usual population size, bussiness, how big places like the main road would be, how many shops there would be, what there definetly wouldn't be - that sort of thing) so I don't pull a Stephanie Meyer.
EDIT: It would be really helpful if it was someone from the UK, since my story is set in Britain, but beggars can't be choosers.
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