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Apr 28, 2012 21:25:26 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on Apr 28, 2012 21:25:26 GMT -8
In which good creatures are always good (unless you're pre-Chugger Folgrim) and bad creatures are always evil (unless you're Blaggut).
In which 1/4 of whichever book you're reading will be dedicated to descriptions of food.
In which a warrior carrying a broken sword goes on a quest to have his weapon reforged and realizes his destiny in the creation of a new age (but totally isn't Aragorn).
Alas there will be no more books (unless there's an unfinished one out there that his son(s) are working on...) as Brian Jacques has passed away, but we've still got 20+ books to enjoy here So, who's read the series, and which book's your favorite?
Personally I like what I call "The Bella Years" (No, not that Bella), consisting of Mossflower, The Legend of Luke, and Outcast of Redwall.
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Apr 29, 2012 2:12:45 GMT -8
Post by kaynobi on Apr 29, 2012 2:12:45 GMT -8
I read these a lot when I was younger (I think from about the release of Marlfox) and liked a lot of them. I know it was kind of weird that certain animals were always bad and others always good but it was a kid's series and it worked well enough. I read Loamhedge last year because it was lying about and I'd never read it and then re-read Mariel of Redwall too.
I definately like the ealier ones (when the stories were maybe a bit more varied and about big events in Redwall/Mossflower's history). My favourites were Mattimeo (the first one I read), Mossflower, Outcast of Redwall, Mariel of Redwall and The Taggerung. I thought a lot of others were good too though and re-read most of them quite a few times.
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Apr 29, 2012 5:33:14 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on Apr 29, 2012 5:33:14 GMT -8
I still have to adjust between the idea that it's a kids' series...and the fact that in Legend of Luke, there's an otter (Folgrim) that deals with vermin by ripping their throats out with his teeth and cooks whatever mangled remains are left over a campfire. He's actually described as having a "bloodstained face" several times.
Y'know, for kids! =D
I definately like the ealier ones (when the stories were maybe a bit more varied and about big events in Redwall/Mossflower's history). This is sort of what put me off of reading anything past Marlfox (in terms of chronological order) until recently. I liked how some of the early-mid books like The Bellmaker and Outcast of Redwall weren't picking up where Mattimeo left off, but rather filling in gaps between earlier books.
Even some of the later-but-pre-Marlfox books managed to keep you grounded in events/chronology.
Pearls of Lutra picked up after Mattimeo with a few characters (Martin III, Auma, Rollo) still being present. Long Patrol in turn had a fair number of characters from Pearls of Lutra (and if it might pique interest; a rather huge secondary plot involving events in Mossflower), and from there Marlfox (and I recently discovered, Taggerung) kept one major character from Long Patrol.
By contrast when I recently got up to Triss...there are a few Mossflower nods, but no character holdovers from Taggering. Loamhedge, which I'm now on, not even an ancestor-nod to Triss which in turn at least had a tiny one-sentence acknowledgement from Taggerung.
I get that not every book had to be direct sequel, but it feels like some characters who grew and changed in one book didn't get another appearance so we could see what they were like as adults. Compare to Mariel of Redwall where Saxtus is still rather young/naive and when The Bellmaker came out (spoilered for those who might read but haven't...), we got a chance to see what he was like after becoming Abbot.
That all aside, I loved Taggerung and I'm enjoying Loamhedge (Triss wasn't bad, but the ending especially felt crunched. )
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Apr 29, 2012 11:51:57 GMT -8
Post by kaynobi on Apr 29, 2012 11:51:57 GMT -8
Yeah, I definatey didn't like the random adventure-ness of later ones. Marlfox was interesting enough and took us back to the island seen in Salamandastron (I believe) and it was about the tapestry being stolen, which was probably a big event in Redwall history. The Long Patrol let us see more about the patrol which was interesting and Taggerung had the prophesised Taggerung being a Redwall creature, which would have been an important point in Redwall history. After that they were just random things happening most of the time.
I always though Mattimeo should have an adventure as an adult but it never happened.
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Apr 29, 2012 15:24:24 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on Apr 29, 2012 15:24:24 GMT -8
Yeah, I kinda missed seeing Mattimeo around. It seems he was just hitting his adolescent point at the end...and then suddenly Pearls of Lutra comes along with "Mattimeo and Tess have since passed on..."
And of course because she was a female badger, Auma was still around I did a reread on some details and I think that the longest-lived creature in all Redwall was Cregga Rose-Eyes. She was in her prime during Long Patrol, as was the hedgehog Gurgan Spearback. By the time Taggerung came around, Gurgan's great-grandson himself was a grandfather....and Cregga was still alive.
And despite what might sound more like bitching, I will say of the later books that I'm very grateful Jacques went back and did Legend of Luke and Lord Brocktree. We'd gotten hints of Martin's and Boar's fathers throughout other books, so it was nice to actually see the two of them get adventures.
I especially liked how The Legend of Luke was set up; with some stuff put in on Martin's time at Redwall while it was being built.
(I liked Lord Brocktree too, though it was rather strange to read a Redwall book that didn't include Martin in some mention at all. Did a good job of getting across just how long ago it was.)
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Apr 29, 2012 15:52:25 GMT -8
Post by blenderbender on Apr 29, 2012 15:52:25 GMT -8
Ohhh I loved these books. I got into them when I was a really little kid when I saw the TV series. Sadly, due to the really late airtime (at least, late to a 3 year old), I only saw the first few episodes and the first episode of Mattimeo. Then when I was around 8, I looked up the series and watched the first two seasons. I still need to watch the 3rd one, and I started reading the books about 2 years ago out of curiosity. I love them too, partly because they're pretty good and partly because they're nostalgia fuel.
I have The Bellmaker, Triss, Martin the Warrior, Redwall, Mattimeo, Outcast of Redwall, and Mossflower. My favourites have got to be Redwall and Mattimeo. My favourite characters were Constance (BADASS.), Jess, Sam, Matthias, Basil, Cheek, and Slagar.
And yeah, the later books without any mentions of other books are kinda jarring, but they're also pretty interesting.
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Apr 29, 2012 17:39:42 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on Apr 29, 2012 17:39:42 GMT -8
Ohhh I loved these books. I got into them when I was a really little kid when I saw the TV series. Sadly, due to the really late airtime (at least, late to a 3 year old), I only saw the first few episodes and the first episode of Mattimeo. Then when I was around 8, I looked up the series and watched the first two seasons. I still need to watch the 3rd one, and I started reading the books about 2 years ago out of curiosity. I love them too, partly because they're pretty good and partly because they're nostalgia fuel. With the first two being Redwall and Mattimeo, I was a bit surprised to see that the third series was Martin the Warrior.
Mind you I still have this fantasy that someday there'll be an animated movie adaptation of "Mossflower". If they can get a good studio/cast/all else behind it, I'd see it ASAP.
I have The Bellmaker, Triss, Martin the Warrior, Redwall, Mattimeo, Outcast of Redwall, and Mossflower. I had everything (Chronologically speaking) up through Marlfox.
Then the flooding last year ruined all but one of them. Specifically, my autographed copy of Martin the Warrior. I've started rebuilding, and now in addition to Martin the Warrior, I've got Mossflower, The Legend of Luke, Outcast of Redwall, Mariel of Redwall, Redwall, Mattimeo, Pearls of Lutra, The Long Patrol, Marlfox, Taggerung, Triss, Loamhedge, Rakkety Tam, and High Rhulain. I'm aiming to have what I used to have again and the rest of the series as well.
My favourites have got to be Redwall and Mattimeo. As said; The Bella of Brockhall years
My favourite characters were Constance (BADASS.), Jess, Sam, Matthias, Basil, Cheek, and Slagar. While admittedly Mattimeo isn't quite on my favorites list, Slagar does get credit for being one of the few villains in the series to actually succeed in his initial objective.
Favorite heroes:
Martin II (Luke's son. I have to be a nerd and put that in because everyone thinks Martin the Warrior is the first Martin the Warrior.)
Gonff (Everyone loves Gonff. Everyone.)
Zann Juskarath Taggerung (Deyna. Gets credit for generally being one of the most badass otters ever.)
Tarquin L. Woodsorrel (Entertaining combination of silly and total badass. He was really more comic relief than fighter, but still highly entertaining.)
Basil Stag Hare (The original Redwall Wise-Ass.)
Brother Simeon (Old blind mosue vs. Searats. Old Blind Mouse 1, Searats, 0.)
Lonna Bowstripe (Presently favorite character in Loamhedge. Also gets points for being the only Badger Lord to use long-range weaponry. Damn original of him )
Sunflash the Mace (One of only two Badger Lords to slaughter an entire searat crew on his own and live through it. He gets ranked above Rawnblade for having more of a personality and generally being more likeable.)
Folgrim (Hannibal Lecter Otter. What's not to like?)
Favorite villains:
Ungatt Trunn (How many enemies have attacked Salamandastron? Answer; a lot. How many enemies have actually taken the mountain over? Answer; this guy.)
Slagar the Cruel (I'm sorry...I can't list his original name here...it's too silly.)
Cluny the Scourge (Only vermin leader to actually conquer Redwall. Let's face it, the only reason he lost was because Matthias had reinforcements from outside.)
Asmodeus (because every adder after him is a pansy.)
Note that the villain section especially may be updated later on. Even if the newer books don't seem to have the flare of the older ones, the villains have been quite flavorful. Raga Bol's been rather awesome
Favorite other: Bluestripe the Wild (A badger lord named Bluestripe. TELL ME THE MENTAL IMAGES OF THIS GUY ARE NOT AWESOME.)
And yeah, the later books without any mentions of other books are kinda jarring, but they're also pretty interesting. You might like Loamhedge. Since the group in it is headed south and whatnot, they do a fair amount of record digging. Matthias and Tim Churchmouse are name-dropped quite a lot.
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Apr 30, 2012 16:13:09 GMT -8
Post by blenderbender on Apr 30, 2012 16:13:09 GMT -8
I have to admit, with the liscencing having changed I kinda hoped they'd revive the show and do a few more books. It didn't happen, but maybe that's just as well since I'd die of nostalgia fueled glee anyway.
Aww that's horrible. I hope you can recollect your books. Though I'm glad the autographed one wasn't ruined.
I don't quite have Mossflower memorized, but I like Outcast of Redwall alright.
Slagar and Cluny were indeed badass, and they certainly were among the closest to victory. Ahh but that's Matthias' talent, making friends in high places who would be willing to help him with anything. Ooh, Sunflash is awesome, and completely adorable when he's chilling with the Dibbuns. Glad we agree on Basil, though I don't know any fan who doesn't like him.
How on earth did I forget Cluny or Asmodeus? Now I feel totally guilty. I love them both, if only because they scared the bejeebus out of me when I was tiny. Also, 3 year old me totally called that Slagar was really Chickenhound. Now that I think back, I think I saw the second episode of season 2 as well, since I knew who Slagar was when I rewatched it.
Ooh, now my interest in Loamhedge is piqued.
Speaking of supremely badass Badger Lords, what do you think of Orlando the Axe? I remember wanting him and Constance to get together, and then changing my mind. I decided I'd rather they just be very kickass friends.
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Apr 30, 2012 18:48:09 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on Apr 30, 2012 18:48:09 GMT -8
I have to admit, with the liscencing having changed I kinda hoped they'd revive the show and do a few more books. It didn't happen, but maybe that's just as well since I'd die of nostalgia fueled glee anyway. If they did pick up on the series again (to be a dork about it; a Mossflower movie could lead to a revival =D ) I'd like to see them tackle Mariel of Redwall and follow up with the Bellmaker. See where it goes from there, but those two'd be a nice starting point.
Same. Jacques was in town back in the late 90's and I got to go to a book signing. There was quite the Q&A session, and he recited the second chapter of Redwall (Cluny's introduction/description) entirely from memory.
The only thing I didn't like about Outcast was the very end when Bryony admitted that Meriam and Bella had been right about Veil. Even with what he'd done in the past I liked the fact that he had some redemption.
Wait'll you read Lord Brocktree. You'll meet another villain who's well up there with them in terms of accomplishment...
Yeah, but that's still what really let him win in the end. He was able to focus entirely on Cluny without the rest of the horde interfering.
See below Loamhedge comment for further Sunflashery. Basil...pretty much became a favorite in that churchyard scene where he zipped around taunting the vermin.
Now here's the other fun bit; when he was bitten, Chickenhound was hiding in a hole located between two massive roots of a great oak tree. That's where Asmodeus got him.
In Mossflower, Brockhall is described as being a great oak tree with a door located between two massive roots.
In Triss, Brockhall is rediscovered as a dwelling place for adders.
Having finished it, I can say you'll enjoy it. I'll warn you though...
Kharanjul is a total BAMF villain. But really, that's my only issue with it. Martha's an interesting character, Brag and Saro are awesome, Raga Bol's a surprisingly interesting villain, and Lonna...
To use Outcast of Redwall names, Lonna Bowstripe is what happens when you mix Sunflash the Mace with Nightshade the Seer.
I wanted a story set between Mattimeo and Pearls of Lutra where Mattimeo got some more pagetime and Orlando ran Salamandastron.
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May 1, 2012 18:38:45 GMT -8
Post by blenderbender on May 1, 2012 18:38:45 GMT -8
Personally I don't care what they pick, though I kinda hope it'd be Mossflower. Also, as someone who wants Redwall on the big screen (animated or live action, preferably animated because I've always thought that trying to look like animals, or doing animal voice overs just seemed stupid), I kinda hope that some director will try to make at least one book into a movie. Though, considering it's a series, it'll probably be either Redwall or Lord Brocktree.
Okay that sounds insanely awesome. I envy you right now.
I too enjoy that their had been some redemption for him. I'm unsure at the moment, but did she say that they were right, or just that she didn't think he'd have saved her if he thought Swartt would actually throw the javelin? Either way it's a horrible thing to say, but the latter is slightly less horrible.
Oh goody! I do so love good villains (meaning villains who are actually evil, have evil reasons for being so, do horrible things with no regrets, and are not redeemed at the end, they actually get a comeuppance). Which may explain why I stilll heart Redwall.
Oh I'm not denying that's how he won. I'm just saying that really that's his talent. Though I kinda wish that Cluny had taken Constance up on her fighting offer. She'd smoosh him into a pudding. ^.^
My favourite scene with Basil would need to be when he and Jess go to rescue the tapestry. Badass, and hilarious. "What's the matter, isn't your own head good enough? No I suppose it isn't. Ugly looking brute aren't you?"
Haha, fun! Jacques may have made some continuity screw ups (considering how many books their were, over the timespan he wrote them, I can understand that), but their are moments like that that make you stop and go "wow. This guy, for the most part, knows his stuff." And let's face it. His continuity issues are nothing next to Meyer.
Yayy! Awesome villains! It sounds great. Ooh, this Lonna sounds incredible.
I wish we could've had a book about Mattimeo (because really, Mattimeo was more about Matthias), and I kinda wanted to see Orlando be awesome there too. We can't say he isn't an epic badger to become Badger Lord.
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May 1, 2012 19:00:42 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 1, 2012 19:00:42 GMT -8
Personally I don't care what they pick, though I kinda hope it'd be Mossflower. Also, as someone who wants Redwall on the big screen (animated or live action, preferably animated because I've always thought that trying to look like animals, or doing animal voice overs just seemed stupid), I kinda hope that some director will try to make at least one book into a movie. Though, considering it's a series, it'll probably be either Redwall or Lord Brocktree. Actually Lord Brocktree could be a good movie pick as well...It's pretty much isolated from every other event (aside from the brief mention that Ungatt Trunn is Verdauga Greeneyes' older brother) in the entire Redwall series.
Bella had said upon hearing that Veil had saved Bryony "So Meriam and I were wrong after all...there was some good in him."
And Bryony said "No, you were right. I know now that Veil was bad."
Just...I get what she was saying that he was bad (but with a spark of good) but I think it spoke to Bryony's conviction and character that her caring for him finally paid off in a way, and for her to affirm that Bella and Meriam were right all along felt...I dunno. I didn't like how it came out.
Gulo. The. Savage.
He leads a horde of white foxes and white ermine that carry next to no provisions whatsoever because they eat their enemies. Oh, and he's a wolverine too. New animal type for a villain...
(If you wanna talk about villains who do horrible things with no regrets )
Yes =D
I could write a fairly long list of continuity errors here and there (switching Diggum and Gurrbowl's genders between Pearls of Lutra and The Long Patrol comes to mind is probably the worst offense I can think of, just because those two books came right after one another. Also, for all the effort on shield and scabbard finding in Redwall, neither of those two come into play again. Ever. Still, errors here and there don't detract from the overall experience.
Oh, I dunno about Matthias being more of a focus. I think Jacques did a pretty good job of dividing page-time between Matthias and Mattimeo in terms of their respective development of characters (Mind you I still wanted a book with Mattimeo as an adult..)
Anyway, almost done Rakkety Tam...squirrels with scottish accents...
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May 2, 2012 11:58:49 GMT -8
Post by kaynobi on May 2, 2012 11:58:49 GMT -8
I think that in terms of movies Martin the Warrior could work. You don't need to know anything about Redwall to understand the character and it's a pretty 'meaty' story. A young warrior's family is killed, he's enslaved but escapes, fights to free his people from an evil oppressor and loses his only love. That's pretty serious stuff and it all works on it's own, whilst also providing a good sequel in Mossflower. Mossflower itself would make a good standalone film in my opinion.
In terms of bad guys, the ones I remember best are Tsarmina - Maybe because I loved Mossflower so much, maybe because she was female, maybe because she just felt a little different to other villains up until then.
Slagar - Because he started as a side character in one book before developing into a very effective villain. Most are just a bad guy because they're bad.
Gabool - I love that he went slowly crazy and was more unhinged than all the rest. It was part of what made Mariel of Redwall such a good book.
Ferahgo the Assassin - Firstly because the Assassin is a pretty cool title and secondly because of his father/son relationship with Klitch. That just added a new element to him as a villain. He also fought Urthstripe the Strong all by himself. I prefered when the villains were brave and strong to being just plain sneaky.
Swartt Sixclaw - For his obsession with Sunflash. It wasn't just good v bad, it was more personal than that and it gave the story more depth.
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May 2, 2012 14:15:42 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 2, 2012 14:15:42 GMT -8
I think that in terms of movies Martin the Warrior could work. You don't need to know anything about Redwall to understand the character and it's a pretty 'meaty' story. A young warrior's family is killed, he's enslaved but escapes, fights to free his people from an evil oppressor and loses his only love. That's pretty serious stuff and it all works on it's own, whilst also providing a good sequel in Mossflower. Mossflower itself would make a good standalone film in my opinion. Only reason I'd be iffy on Martin the Warrior as a movie is because it already got representation in the tv series. For a movie, I'd like to see something that hasn't had a chance on a screen yet.
There does seem to have been a lack of major female villains...the only other one I can think of right now who even started to come close was Kurda (Yeah I know she had her father and brother around, but neither of them were actual threats).
See: earlier comment on later books not tying into each other directly.
I think a lot of villains unhinge after a while though. Cluny snapped for a while in Redwall, Gulo lost it in Rakkety Tamn, Mokkan went cuckoo towards the end of Marlfox, and Nadaz went into frenzied ego-trip mode in Mattimeo.
Admittedly Gabool going nuts was rather more poignant because he was isolated for so long.
I think Ferahgo was still in the sneaky area himself though. He didn't exactly march up and challenge Urthstripe up front and at the beginning. He held Salamandastron under siege for a long time even after having one of his people poison the mountain's entire water/food supply. You are right that his father/son dynamic with Klitch was new. Just about every other villain with a mate/offspring was constantly on the verge of getting into a duel (for excellent family togetherness; read Marlfox )
Now if you want a villain character who marched boldly up and challenged a Badger Lord when they were both ready for a war; look at Ripfang.
That one I liked a lot. What really added to it was that after all that evasion/running/skirmishing/warring...it finally came down to Sunflash and Skarlath hunting Swartt and his 30+ band of vermin from the old days. It was a nice resolution.
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May 3, 2012 12:49:58 GMT -8
Post by kaynobi on May 3, 2012 12:49:58 GMT -8
We've talked about villains, so how about the badger lords. I always thought they were really interesting.
Lady Cregga Rose Eyes - Practically indestructable and the only female badger lord that I read about. Were there others in latr books?
Lord Brocktree - I guess I just liked his book. I thought Stonepaw was good too.
Sunflash the Mace - Probably my favourite. I just thought it was great seeing him before he became a badger lord and everything he went through.
Spearlady Gorse - I know she was only ever mentioned once but she had an awesome name. I wanted to know more about her. Same goes for Ceteruler the Just and Bluestripe the Wild.
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May 3, 2012 14:06:27 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 3, 2012 14:06:27 GMT -8
Ooh, badgers...
As stated earlier in the thread; Lonna Bowstripe is awesome. The fact that he's an archer when so many Badger Lords before him used swords/axes/pikes...
Rawnblade...I wanted to like more, but he just came across as "standard stern and tough Badger Lord" without much else in personality.
Oh, and Russano shows up again in Taggerung. Still only uses a stick, but I liked seeing him grown up outside the Lord Brocktree opener/closer.
Regarding Cregga being the only female...there's Melesme who makes a few brief appearances in Rakkety Tam, though she's not a huge focus unfortunately.
OH, and I'm on High Rhulain right now. the badger lord there (Mandoral Highpeak) has been rather fascinating, and Urthwyte's been name-dropped quite a bit. Nice to hear from him again
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May 3, 2012 14:47:43 GMT -8
Post by kaynobi on May 3, 2012 14:47:43 GMT -8
Urthstripe and Urthwyte were good. I liked seeing how some of the badgers were related and took over from each other. In later books they all seemed a bit disconnected. There must have been times when the mountain had no ruler. I would have liked a book about that and it being in danger so some hares go looking for the next badger lord.
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May 3, 2012 16:35:11 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 3, 2012 16:35:11 GMT -8
Urthstripe and Urthwyte were good. I liked seeing how some of the badgers were related and took over from each other. In later books they all seemed a bit disconnected. There must have been times when the mountain had no ruler. I would have liked a book about that and it being in danger so some hares go looking for the next badger lord. The book you are wishing for is Lord Brocktree, actually.
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May 3, 2012 18:23:22 GMT -8
Post by blenderbender on May 3, 2012 18:23:22 GMT -8
@norn - Yeah I was thinking along that if they were ever going to adapt the series (considering how long that'd take, not likely, but hey, I can dream right?) they would either start with Redwall because it was the first written, or with Lord Brocktree because it's the first chronologically.
Oh...well then. I suppose she could've meant they were right to banish him because he was for the most part, a prick, but the way it's worded is...not fortunate in the least.
*is grinning evilly* Sounds like my type of villain.
Ahh Basil and Jess both got some incredibly badass moments in the books and that's got to be one of my favourites.
Like I said, he makes his goofs, though I can definitely understand that, and it's not too distracting/ And again, it's miles better than SMeyer.
I too think that he did a good job of spreading the focus, but in the end I feel like we got a bit more of Matthias than Matti. Not much, but a little.
O.O Details please!
Hmmm Martin the Warrior could work too. Really, most of the books could. The only one I know of that would absolutely require reading another book first is Mattimeo.
Well Vilaya is another female villain and she seems to be pretty kickass.
Ooh! Ooh! Slagar kinda went nuts too!
Well everyone else has done it, so I guess I'd best expand on my favourite characters.
Constance, Jess, Sam, Matthias, Basil, Cheek, Slagar, Cluny, Martin, Tsarmina, Sunflash, Swartt, Orlando, Warbeak, Gingivere Greeneyes, Lady Amber, Mariel Gullwhacker, Felldoh, Sister May
On the topic of Badger Lords, my favourites are Orlando and Sunflash. They seem to bleed badass. If Constance were a Badger Lord, she'd probably be my favourite, but she isn't sadly. I have to say Badgers are probably tied with Squirrels for my favourite species.
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May 3, 2012 19:20:34 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 3, 2012 19:20:34 GMT -8
Well Vilaya is another female villain and she seems to be pretty kickass. Haven't gotten to her yet...I'm still on High Rhulain.
Ooh! Ooh! Slagar kinda went nuts too! He certainly had a rather revisionist view on his life, but I don't think he really went crazy the way the likes of Gabool and Gulo did.
I have to say Badgers are probably tied with Squirrels for my favourite species. Otters ftw
(And I think everyone likes Badgers...)
There are two squirrel warriors in Rakkety Tam who wear kilts, carry claymores, and have scottish accents. They're both rather badass (though Doogy tends to get into trouble very easily). Rakkety Tam .... The best way to describe him that's immediately easy to understand for anyone who hasn't read the book is a cross between Martin and Matthias.
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Post by kaynobi on May 4, 2012 6:48:04 GMT -8
Urthstripe and Urthwyte were good. I liked seeing how some of the badgers were related and took over from each other. In later books they all seemed a bit disconnected. There must have been times when the mountain had no ruler. I would have liked a book about that and it being in danger so some hares go looking for the next badger lord. The book you are wishing for is Lord Brocktree, actually.I've read Lord Brocktree a few times, though not for many years. Stonepaw was still in charge though, it's not like the hares had been without a badger lord for years and years. And Brocktree was already on his way. My favourites were always the otters and squirrels, although I liked the hares and badgers too. I got a bit annoyed sometimes at how many mice got to be the central characters and the warriors. I always had a fondness for Stoats/Ferrets/Weasels and Foxes as the bad guys. Too many rats felt like too many mice. Did either of you ever make up your own ideas for Redwall stories? I know I did based on what I would like to see. I also created my own rip-off Redwall universe. Good times, good times.
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Post by kaynobi on May 4, 2012 6:56:12 GMT -8
Haven't gotten to her yet...I'm still on High Rhulain. Have you finished Loamhedge? Can we talk about the ending because that disappointed me a little.
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May 4, 2012 13:12:42 GMT -8
Post by blenderbender on May 4, 2012 13:12:42 GMT -8
@norn - I haven't yet either, I just wanted to point out that Kurda and Tsarmina weren't alone in the female villains department anymore. It seemed to me like he'd gone insane by the end. Maybe not the same sort of insane, but Slagar was not mentally well. Though, admittedly, being bitten in the face by an adder couldn't have helped. Ooh, otters are always fun! Again, I <3 Cheek. .......WHY DO I NOT OWN THIS BOOK YET?! kaynobi - I like the idea, and it would've been fascinating to see. I have to concur about mice and rats being overused. There's a ton of them. Ohhh, I've been working on my own fanfic ideas for Redwall in my head for a while. One of them involves how the Mossflower Patrol came to be. Sam is running around one day, and comes across some thieves. He tries to stop them, only to be beaten senseless. He wakes up in a ditch, unable to remember much. He wanders for a while, only to be found by a mercenary band that is working for a weasel that has been using criminals to gain wealth for years. Meanwhile Jess, Basil, Mattimeo, and maybe Matthias and Orlando are off to find him. Along the way, they also gain a few allies from the North. Much rougher allies who hail from a place that lives for a good fight. They're hunting the fox to get revenge for A) 3 children from their home being stolen by slavers, and B) To get revenge for them murdering a Sister at their own Abbey. Their allies are a mouse called Bellona, and an as of yet unnamed wolf. Keep in mind I have next to no details on this project, as I'm busy with my Harry Potter stuff, but I do want to work on this. What bothered you about Loamhedge?
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May 4, 2012 14:37:27 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 4, 2012 14:37:27 GMT -8
Without spoiling much, what disappointed me with the ending of Loamhedge was Kharanjul. He's a complete BAMF villain.
Maybe not for years, but
Stonepaw died well before Brocktree reached Salamandastron, and Ungatt Trunn installed himself in the mountain for a time. Yeah, a book where there was no Badger would've been fun though.
Never any stories/fanfics, but I did have a character design for a Sugar Glider.
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May 4, 2012 15:58:51 GMT -8
Post by kaynobi on May 4, 2012 15:58:51 GMT -8
The end of Loamhedge annoyed me because it just all felt a bit pointless. Martha randomly learns to walk again just when she needs to and things work out for her despite the fact that there is no cure at Loamhedge. It made their whole quest just seem so futile to me. They went all that way for nothing but Martha still has everything work out for her cause she's just so nice.
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May 4, 2012 16:20:47 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 4, 2012 16:20:47 GMT -8
The end of Loamhedge annoyed me because it just all felt a bit pointless. Martha randomly learns to walk again just when she needs to and things work out for her despite the fact that there is no cure at Loamhedge. It made their whole quest just seem so futile to me. They went all that way for nothing but Martha still has everything work out for her cause she's just so nice.
They addressed the whole "what was the point of them going?" question, and I believe it was realized that if Brag and Saro had stuck around, the Abbey probably would've been better defended (Those two probably could've clobbered Redd's little group on their own) and the crisis that led to Martha suddenly snapping and walking never would have happened.
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May 4, 2012 16:42:08 GMT -8
Post by kaynobi on May 4, 2012 16:42:08 GMT -8
That still seems so pointless to me. It's like creating a conflict where there shouldn't be one. I think it's mostly because the whole 'Martha randomly learns to walk again' thing was a copout to me and pretty cheesy. Why couldn't they just find her the cure? That would have been much better and made much more sense.
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May 4, 2012 17:56:09 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 4, 2012 17:56:09 GMT -8
Maybe. Either way there still would've been the sadness in the end.
But no matter what anyone says, Kharanjul suddenly appearing there was just...augh.
At least a described connection between his band and survivors of Nadaz's army would've been nice.
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TWO PAGES, YAY! =D
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May 4, 2012 18:41:50 GMT -8
Post by blenderbender on May 4, 2012 18:41:50 GMT -8
Ahhhhh, so Loamhedge is the book with Martha. I admit, the whole "lack of willpower" bit annoyed me. Though if her cause of paralysis was exhaustion and trauma, as I have been led to believe than maybe it can work. I'd like to see your character design. YAY FOR TWO PAGES!
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May 4, 2012 19:30:21 GMT -8
Post by Madaraki on May 4, 2012 19:30:21 GMT -8
I don't have it saved anymore (this was something from several years ago), but he was basically a sugar glider that lived at Redwall as the bellringer and tended to be looked upon a somewhat strange.
"Ee gurt flyin' squirrelybeast".
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May 4, 2012 21:30:31 GMT -8
Post by blenderbender on May 4, 2012 21:30:31 GMT -8
Ahhh, well he sounds adorable. Like I said I still need to plan out my fanfic. All I know is that by the end, A) Sam gets back his memories, and B) He and Elmtail form the Mossflower Patrol to protect Mossflower/the woods at least from harm like the ring ever again.
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