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Post by thewizardofoz on Nov 13, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -8
That's why I said it would take them years... all that time driving underwater would prevent good gas mileage from occuring. (shot)
Joking aside; honestly, they could have thrown the car all the way from Italy to America, since they have super-awesome vampire strength. Wait a second... I think that's exactly what they did, but considering they broke the sound barrier, they ended up traveling for anywhere from 5 to 600 years (depending on the velocity of the throw) but in realtime, taking about one-three months or so.
Yes, Meyer, way to go.
Absolutely not, I was merely ascribing an explanation as to why Aro may have done that.
...Good point. Remind me to be glad I'm in a world with common sense and logic...
Still, I see now that my "point" was a very poor one, considering they're a legitimate vampire monarchy and in accordance to the vampire world, own everything they touch. They should have zapped Edward and changed Bella to be their door-slave on the spot.
Right, it's like, "...Where did the Volturi go? All I see is OME EDWARD and OMJ JACOB and mindless blathering..." and then you read BD and think, "Oh, wait, the Volturi weren't so hot either."
Right.
And why would vampires need to have lawyers? They're supposed to be the ultimate antibodies to everything good and beautiful, of course they're against the law! Hell, you could even look at what the Cullens do... their very existence is illegal, can you imagine all the stuff they buy? (Plothole Alert.)
Well, yes, but then again, so was everyone else in the series, so I'm really not terribly surprised.
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Post by Elentari on Nov 13, 2010 14:28:56 GMT -8
A fan tried to say that of course something bad would have followed after the sparklecide, since apparently people would have gathered around Ed to try and touch himAnyway, now that I have finished my hysterics... What bothers me about the appropriately named "sparklecide" is why the Volturi would care if one of their 'pires offed themselves. The way I look at it, the crowd at the St. Marcus Parade would torch the bastard before they do anything. Then, when the Italian police move out, that would give the Volturi an excellent opportunity to come out of hiding by killing the police and armies and eventually take over the world. You'd think they'd consider Edward's suicide a godsend, and maybe even ask him themselves to do it. But no. Exposure is bad; never mind the Volturi's passive-agressive techniques between wanting to protect and kill humans, and even their own species, at the same time. It also makes me think that how many of them would have even cared that there is this dude sparkling. Often when we see something weird, we pretend we don't even see it or think it's just some stunt. We just look past it. And what about Bella making all that fuss about getting to Eddyboy? No one seemed to notice her. Why would they notice Ed either?
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 13, 2010 14:36:40 GMT -8
It also makes me think that how many of them would have even cared that there is this dude sparkling. Often when we see something weird, we pretend we don't even see it or think it's just some stunt. We just look past it. And what about Bella making all that fuss about getting to Eddyboy? No one seemed to notice her. Why would they notice Ed either? Particularly since it's a festival. Particularly since it's a festival about vampires*! Even if someone did see Edward and did associate sparkling with vampires-- even though no other vampire mythos that I know of contains that detail so I'm not sure why they would-- under the circumstances wouldn't they be more likely to assume he was just part of a reenactment for festival entertainment? *From what I gather that was the intention. The real Feast of St. Mark/Marcus has nothing to do with vampires, and this particular festival is just made up, surprise surprise.
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Post by Demeter on Nov 13, 2010 18:33:36 GMT -8
Bella and Edward being on the west coast of Brazil bothers me way more than it should. I'm in tenth grade and it took me less than thirty seconds to double check if Brazil had a west coast or not, how come SMeyer couldn't. Here's a better question, what kind of editor would let something so stupid pass?This. I'm not totally sure what editors do, but shouldn't a fact-check and logic be involved?
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Post by thewizardofoz on Nov 14, 2010 5:06:34 GMT -8
This. I'm not totally sure what editors do, but shouldn't a fact-check and logic be involved? That's pretty much precisely what they do. Anyway, I have another one. In Eclipse, Meyer mentions Bree's attraction to Bella's blood. This would've been an excellent reason for the Cullens to kill her since they were allegedly protecting Bella's safety. However, both in Eclipse and the Bree Tanner "novella", Bree's perfectly fine with controlling her "bloodlust", and the Cullens kill her just because "she's a newborn" and "a danger to the family". Never mind that she's a strategic piece in the Cullens-newborns-Volturi strategy game, can tell them boatloads of information, and would be a powerful ally for their cause with a little persuasion and some enticement. Finally, she won't feel like a worthless loser and she'll feel like she's making a difference. But no. By the way, if Bree was such a danger to the family, why didn't the Cullens kill Bella to begin with so she wouldn't have started all this mess?
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Post by Catalpa on Nov 14, 2010 5:28:07 GMT -8
It also makes me think that how many of them would have even cared that there is this dude sparkling. Often when we see something weird, we pretend we don't even see it or think it's just some stunt. We just look past it. And what about Bella making all that fuss about getting to Eddyboy? No one seemed to notice her. Why would they notice Ed either? Well, to be fair, when most people see something weird nowadays, they videotape it and put it up on youtube. Maybe the Volturi are worried about being flamed and called gay instead of being discovered?
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Post by Elentari on Nov 14, 2010 6:56:52 GMT -8
It also makes me think that how many of them would have even cared that there is this dude sparkling. Often when we see something weird, we pretend we don't even see it or think it's just some stunt. We just look past it. And what about Bella making all that fuss about getting to Eddyboy? No one seemed to notice her. Why would they notice Ed either? Well, to be fair, when most people see something weird nowadays, they videotape it and put it up on youtube. Maybe the Volturi are worried about being flamed and called gay instead of being discovered? True, but the people in Meyerland don't seem to even know about phones or broadband Internet access. The story is supposed to take place in 2005, when no one even had modems anymore and everyone had cellphones. And what about New Moon, when Alice comes to see if Bella has killed herself? She doesn't even call her not-family or Edboy after seeing that the little twat is indeed alive. The point is still that how and why should anyone have even noticed Ed sparkling?
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Post by mangafreak19 on Nov 14, 2010 7:39:44 GMT -8
True, but the people in Meyerland don't seem to even know about phones or broadband Internet access. The story is supposed to take place in 2005, when no one even had modems anymore and everyone had cellphones. And what about New Moon, when Alice comes to see if Bella has killed herself? She doesn't even call her not-family or Edboy after seeing that the little twat is indeed alive. The point is still that how and why should anyone have even noticed Ed sparkling? Actually, the story took place in the early 90s when Meyer was eighteen. Back then, Internet usage was sparse and "cellular phones" were just starting to hit the market. Right, which makes you wonder just how seriously Alice values Bella's safety. The others must not value Bella's safety since they're not waiting in line on the phone waiting for Alice's call. And that's a good question, which leads me to conclude that Edtwat has a posse of cinematographers and cameramen to follow him around, organise a photo/model shoot, take pictures and film videos with random people touching his prettiness, call the Volturi, and be done with it.
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Post by Too Funk to Druck{Truthiness} on Nov 14, 2010 10:11:14 GMT -8
True, but the people in Meyerland don't seem to even know about phones or broadband Internet access. The story is supposed to take place in 2005, when no one even had modems anymore and everyone had cellphones. And what about New Moon, when Alice comes to see if Bella has killed herself? She doesn't even call her not-family or Edboy after seeing that the little twat is indeed alive. The point is still that how and why should anyone have even noticed Ed sparkling? Actually, the story took place in the early 90s when Meyer was eighteen. Back then, Internet usage was sparse and "cellular phones" were just starting to hit the market. Was it really supposed to be set in the 90s? Because it's definitely mentioned that Bella e-mails her mom all the time, and vice-versa, and she looks up the information about vampires online.
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Post by Elentari on Nov 14, 2010 10:22:32 GMT -8
Actually, the story took place in the early 90s when Meyer was eighteen. Back then, Internet usage was sparse and "cellular phones" were just starting to hit the market. Was it really supposed to be set in the 90s? Because it's definitely mentioned that Bella e-mails her mom all the time, and vice-versa, and she looks up the information about vampires online. Yeah, and I remember them mentioning iPods, plasma TVs (that aren't even available yet), and who can forget about the infamous Mercedes Benz Guardian? I do agree that Meyer basically crafted the story from her own high school experiences. Still, you'd think she would know something about the Internet and cellphones. But then again she has this general disregard for research, so her failing to represent realistic usage of technology isn't that surprising.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 14, 2010 13:06:36 GMT -8
In Eclipse, Meyer mentions Bree's attraction to Bella's blood. This would've been an excellent reason for the Cullens to kill her since they were allegedly protecting Bella's safety. However, both in Eclipse and the Bree Tanner "novella", Bree's perfectly fine with controlling her "bloodlust", and the Cullens kill her just because "she's a newborn" and "a danger to the family". Never mind that she's a strategic piece in the Cullens-newborns-Volturi strategy game, can tell them boatloads of information, and would be a powerful ally for their cause with a little persuasion and some enticement. Finally, she won't feel like a worthless loser and she'll feel like she's making a difference. But no. By the way, if Bree was such a danger to the family, why didn't the Cullens kill Bella to begin with so she wouldn't have started all this mess?I hate to defend Twilight, and I hate even more that I'm defending the scene that took me from not liking the series to being an outright hater... But the Cullens didn't kill Bree. The Volturi did. The Cullens are arguably partly responsible for Bree's death because they offered her sanctuary and then changed their minds, but they didn't strike the killing blow. I think the Cullens are utter cowards for stepping aside and letting Bree be killed without a fight after offering her their protection. Actually caring about about someone besides themselves or Bella seems beyond the Cullens' emotional and moral repertoire, though. That Bree's life should matter as much as Bella's does is definitely a valid point of criticism. The scene where Bree dies is all the more jarring coming minutes after they all risked their lives against arguably worse odds to save Bella...
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Post by Revenant on Nov 14, 2010 13:33:45 GMT -8
Actually, the story took place in the early 90s when Meyer was eighteen. Back then, Internet usage was sparse and "cellular phones" were just starting to hit the market. Was it really supposed to be set in the 90s? Because it's definitely mentioned that Bella e-mails her mom all the time, and vice-versa, and she looks up the information about vampires online. Certainly not the 90s. According to Twilight Lexicon, Bella moves to Forks in January 2005. Meyer just ignores technology, for whatever reason.
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Post by Sassley on Nov 14, 2010 15:35:18 GMT -8
Was it really supposed to be set in the 90s? Because it's definitely mentioned that Bella e-mails her mom all the time, and vice-versa, and she looks up the information about vampires online. Certainly not the 90s. According to Twilight Lexicon, Bella moves to Forks in January 2005. Meyer just ignores technology, for whatever reason. Come to think of it, Meyer ignores everything. Except her pweshus Eddie and her speshul snowflayk Bella.
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Post by reniefuwa on Nov 15, 2010 13:14:26 GMT -8
Certainly not the 90s. According to Twilight Lexicon, Bella moves to Forks in January 2005. Meyer just ignores technology, for whatever reason. Come to think of it, Meyer ignores everything. Except her pweshus Eddie and her speshul snowflayk Bella. And anything not convenient to the plot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 9:02:51 GMT -8
Well, in the book, the tourists that the Volturi lure for their own purposes are certainly not people whose disappearances wouldn't cause concern, such as the homeless and the displaced that have no close familial ties and no enduring bonds to society. For example, I believe one pair of tourists was described stereotypically as two loud Americans on a vacation, so it's likely that, before their deaths, they had family and friends that would have been aware of their vacationing to Italy.
I don't see why the Volturi, as staggeringly stupid as they are, seem to express no concern over how poorly their victims are chosen and yet, when Edward poses the danger of sparkling like a performer with a good make-up job during a festival, they're on HIGH ALERT.
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Post by firegirl26 on Nov 18, 2010 7:54:24 GMT -8
about the Volturi taking so long to get to folks well they have a big group right(like 50 people).can't you say that it would take the Volturi a few weeks to gather the group up and head to folks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 9:09:25 GMT -8
about the Volturi taking so long to get to folks well they have a big group right(like 50 people).can't you say that it would take the Volturi a few weeks to gather the group up and head to folks. I read on the old forum that supposely they needed witnesses and the time to get those witnesses so thats why they were late, why they needed witnesses i don't know. Don't know how true that is though
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 21, 2010 16:14:36 GMT -8
If 50+ people vanished, they would investigate, PERIOD.
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 21, 2010 18:54:03 GMT -8
I guess in SMeyerland, no one notices large groups of people disappearing out of nowhere. It's another one of those instances where she goes 'I'm sure no one will notice THIS' and proceeds to write it. This is why layman who don't have enough experience, not only with writing but with research, shouldn't write novels.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 21, 2010 19:13:58 GMT -8
I guess in SMeyerland, no one notices large groups of people disappearing out of nowhere. It's another one of those instances where she goes 'I'm sure no one will notice THIS' and proceeds to write it. This is why layman who don't have enough experience, not only with writing but with research, shouldn't write novels. Fucking THIIIIIIS
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Post by firegirl26 on Nov 21, 2010 21:42:35 GMT -8
If 50+ people vanished, they would investigate, PERIOD.
true unless the volturi somehow make the murders look like accidents . i can see it now , the newspaper say " Bus crashes 50 people die for the 20th time this year" i guess we will never know .
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Post by reniefuwa on Nov 21, 2010 21:44:12 GMT -8
If 50+ people vanished, they would investigate, PERIOD.
true unless the volturi somehow make the murders look like accidents . i can see it now , the newspaper say " Bus crashes 50 people die for the 20th time this year" i guess we will never know . Ha ha! Yes! And in Meyer-land, no one would bat an eye, because Bella wasn't on any of them.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 21, 2010 21:51:34 GMT -8
And of course no one will ever attempt to claim the bodies, request autopsies, or have them prepared for burial and thus notice that the injuries aren't consistent with an accident, even if they did use the bus crash excuse.
Because none of them are Bella, so no one in this universe cares.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 21, 2010 23:04:13 GMT -8
Did Jacob love Bella BEFORE or AFTER becoming a werewolf?
If so, there's massive plothole there!
Supposedly the ONLY reason Jacob liked Bella was not because of her [nonexistent] personality, but because he imprinted on her eggs (which would be IMPOSSIBLE because an egg is simply a ball of genes, not a real person). If he fell in love with bella BEFORE he was a wolf, he couldn't have imprinted on the egg and therefore would not be in love with the Hellspawn.
So basically, one of the main side of the love triangle . . . IS A PLOTHOLE!
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Post by reniefuwa on Nov 21, 2010 23:46:09 GMT -8
Eh, I can actually buy some attraction beforehand. They knew each other as kids, even if she was a little older than Jacob. Then she doesn't show up for three years, and suddenly BAM! Awkward girl is more like a young woman now, Jacob is a hormonal teenager, and they were friends from before? It could go either way on that, I think.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 22, 2010 0:11:02 GMT -8
I don't understand why Meyer felt the need to explain away Bella and Jacob's mutual attraction with this weird egg-love thing anyway.
Girl and guy spend time together, find each other physically appealing, share some common interests, enjoy each other's company... it's perfectly normal for them to have romantic feelings. It's normal for them to fall in love. It's also normal for them to break up, drift apart, and end up with other people for the long haul.
Meyer, however, seems to feel that if you don't have only one real love in your life ever, this fact has to be somehow explained away with weird supernatural stuff.
In real life, though? Most of us date more than one person in our lives. Most of us fall in love more than once. Most of us don't end up with our high school crush permanently.
It's unfortunate that Meyer created a plothole by explaining something that didn't need to be explained in the first place because it's entirely commonplace.
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Post by queencherryfairy on Nov 22, 2010 5:51:23 GMT -8
I don't understand why Meyer felt the need to explain away Bella and Jacob's mutual attraction with this weird egg-love thing anyway. Girl and guy spend time together, find each other physically appealing, share some common interests, enjoy each other's company... it's perfectly normal for them to have romantic feelings. It's normal for them to fall in love. It's also normal for them to break up, drift apart, and end up with other people for the long haul. Meyer, however, seems to feel that if you don't have only one real love in your life ever, this fact has to be somehow explained away with weird supernatural stuff. In real life, though? Most of us date more than one person in our lives. Most of us fall in love more than once. Most of us don't end up with our high school crush permanently. It's unfortunate that Meyer created a plothole by explaining something that didn't need to be explained in the first place because it's entirely commonplace. Not to mention that this "imprinting on what would one day be Renesmee" crap means that Jacob must've also been crushing over Edward because of his sperm.
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 22, 2010 14:41:02 GMT -8
mis·con·cep·tion/ˌmiskənˈsepSHən/ Noun: A view or opinion that is incorrect because based on faulty thinking or understanding.
lay·man Noun: a person who is a non-expert in a given field of knowledge.
Stephanie Meyer Noun: a layman who uses misconceptions in her writing.
Just remember these next time you try to understand anything in Twilight.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2010 7:07:59 GMT -8
I don't understand why Meyer felt the need to explain away Bella and Jacob's mutual attraction with this weird egg-love thing anyway. Girl and guy spend time together, find each other physically appealing, share some common interests, enjoy each other's company... it's perfectly normal for them to have romantic feelings. It's normal for them to fall in love. It's also normal for them to break up, drift apart, and end up with other people for the long haul. Meyer, however, seems to feel that if you don't have only one real love in your life ever, this fact has to be somehow explained away with weird supernatural stuff. In real life, though? Most of us date more than one person in our lives. Most of us fall in love more than once. Most of us don't end up with our high school crush permanently. It's unfortunate that Meyer created a plothole by explaining something that didn't need to be explained in the first place because it's entirely commonplace. Because that would mean that Bella actually doubted her love for Edward and that someone could actually replace him in her life - THIS IS NOT TRUE LOVE GUISE!!!!! There *must* be another explanation for this as Bella's love is so pure, she could only ever really love Edward. The Jacob thing was only really just the egg-attraction shit, therefore pissing on and fucking slapping in the face any Team Jacob fan ever and laugh in their faces afterwards.
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Post by Catalpa on Nov 25, 2010 14:55:37 GMT -8
...I thought that the egg imprinting thing was just a fan theory, and not canon?
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