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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 18, 2011 14:08:48 GMT -8
^Though the wizard celebrations did imply that it was new news, and I can't imagine the news of Voldemort's (not!)death would take three days to travel around Britain...
Because no one would believe it was true, no one was there to see it happen, it was just suddenly his power broke and people started waking up. Everyone was expecting him to come back, even after his death, Death eaters went looking for him assuming he was still alive somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 16:06:16 GMT -8
Why didn't Regulus order Kreacher to save both of them, instead of choosing death by zombie drowning?
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 18, 2011 18:34:47 GMT -8
Maybe it wasn't possible for wizards to Apparate in the cave, even if they were accompanying house-elves.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 18, 2011 18:43:52 GMT -8
Why didn't Regulus order Kreacher to save both of them, instead of choosing death by zombie drowning?
Because Voldermort was going to kill him anyway, probably torture him while he was at it, he might not have known the cure to the potion he drank. At least this way he got to choose an honorable death, with Dignity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 21:01:02 GMT -8
But Kreacher drank it, and he was mostly okay. Weakened, perhaps, but still okay, and he got his strength back after awhile. And I don't see how joining the inferi in the lake and therefore still serving Voldemort is an honorable death.
No, I think he could have been Apparated by Kreacher, as elf magic is different than wizard magic.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 19, 2011 11:23:15 GMT -8
But Kreacher drank it, and he was mostly okay. Weakened, perhaps, but still okay, and he got his strength back after awhile. And I don't see how joining the inferi in the lake and therefore still serving Voldemort is an honorable death. No, I think he could have been Apparated by Kreacher, as elf magic is different than wizard magic.
It's also true that elves and wizards are different, perhaps it's these differences that made it possible for Kreacher to survive.
Where does it say that dying in the cave makes you an Inferi?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 13:28:18 GMT -8
Doesn't it say that somewhere? And I still say death by zombie drowning is a terrible way to go. Even if he WAS going to die from the potion, he could have done so in a far more comfortable manner AKA in a nice comfy bed someplace, with a bottle of firewhiskey..
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 19, 2011 15:16:58 GMT -8
Doesn't it say that somewhere? And I still say death by zombie drowning is a terrible way to go. Even if he WAS going to die from the potion, he could have done so in a far more comfortable manner AKA in a nice comfy bed someplace, with a bottle of firewhiskey..
He didn't want his family to know he betrayed them, and he didn't want voldermort to know either, because it was the only way to protect them, they could've been used against him to get the Locket Back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 16:56:11 GMT -8
He didn't need to go home. Couldn't he go someplace and get Kreacher to procure a bed and a nice meal or two for him?
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 19, 2011 17:10:32 GMT -8
He didn't need to go home. Couldn't he go someplace and get Kreacher to procure a bed and a nice meal or two for him?
He wanted to hide from voldermort though, anywhere else he would've been found, the only one who knew about that place was Voldermort, he would've never been found there. If he was ever found and discovered what happened to him, his family would've been punished.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 20, 2011 9:46:43 GMT -8
I believe it does say that you become an Inferius after they kill you.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 20, 2011 10:06:28 GMT -8
I believe it does say that you become an Inferius after they kill you.
By all means find me a quote please.
If I run across it when I get that far I'll be sure to quote it as well, but I don't recall it ever saying that.
Source: harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Inferius
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Mar 20, 2011 12:41:22 GMT -8
I don't think it says that as such, but it would be the logical thing for Voldemort to do if he returned to the cave and found a couple of fresh corpses.
I agree with the horror of death by zombie drowning. *shudders* Would it be possible to AK oneself rather than be dragged into the lake by zombies?
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Post by Demeter on Mar 20, 2011 12:54:34 GMT -8
^ I don't know about AK, but you could probably find a spell that would kill you before you drowned.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 20, 2011 15:21:19 GMT -8
You could easily stun yourself, then you'd be unconscious for the whole event.
We can also assume that he attempted to leave by himself, but being as noble as he was he didn't want to make the house elf stay, which if he didn't order him to go then, when he still could, the house elf would've been bound to stay if they couldn't escape. Better to send him home right away then try and get him to apparate them both out, and fail and then try to convince the elf to leave.
Plus, it's not like voldermort ever returned there, he felt it was completely safe, that he was the only one alive who knew about the place, and even if he did return, he wouldn't see any fresh bodies, they would just be dead bodies on the bottom of the lake, there's nothing to suggest that Inferi can reproduce themselves just by killing another person, I think people are getting them confused with Zombies.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 20, 2011 20:02:46 GMT -8
At the very least, Harry assumes that you become an Inferius if they kill you. On page 576, it says,
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 21, 2011 9:03:16 GMT -8
At the very least, Harry assumes that you become an Inferius if they kill you. On page 576, it says,
That just means his body would be there among all the others, it's an assumption to assume that he would be turned into a Inferius just by being killed by one based on a statement from a character that we -know- from previous conversations doesn't know how they work or what they do.
I seriously think people are confusing certain aspects of Zombiese with Inferi, they're not the same in how they're created.
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Post by Demeter on Mar 21, 2011 11:00:04 GMT -8
I haven't read the book in a while, but doesn't it mention that Inferi are created using the Dark Arts? So Harry wouldn't become one just by being drowned by them - Voldemort (or whoever) would have to come back and do something to his body.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 25, 2011 9:09:16 GMT -8
I see what you mean. That's a good question. That letter was written BEFORE he went to Azkaban. So where was it before then? We all know he hated his entire family, so why would he go there during the time when he was revolting against everything his family believed in? They were on completely different sides. It doesn't make sense that he would be there. So where was this letter hidden in the thirteen years that he was in prison?
I would assume that most of his stuff was kept in his vault. We know he had access to his vault because he bought harry the broom in the 3rd book. Now, how he had access seems to be the bigger mystery.
(I'm also assuming that he was living in places where he only kept the clothes on his back and what he needed day-to-day, because it was a war and he was an active Order member, so all other possessions were kept somewhere that death eaters wouldn't have easy access, his vault perhaps.)
In the end of the third book, it states he sent the cat into the store with a mail order to deliver the broom to harry but to take the gold from his vault.
I don't know if I would call the following a contradiction, but it's a kind of 'Duh' moment for me, why didn't they stun Peter when they were bringing him up to the castle? It would've effectively prevented his escape...
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 25, 2011 18:10:56 GMT -8
^Stunned, petrified... there are tons of options.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 12:46:30 GMT -8
Question: How do humans and giants get together. I mean, they are four times our sixe, thereabouts. How the hell do you tap that.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on May 13, 2011 13:12:29 GMT -8
Not to be entirely crude... but to do so anyway, I always figured Hagrid's Father was just... Very well endowed.
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Post by limelightqueen on Aug 2, 2011 19:04:26 GMT -8
This is one that is really, really bothering me. In the end of the second book it is discovered that Lucius Malfoy a) gave an eleven year old girl a dark object so she could get possessed by Voldemort and try and murder a whole bunch of kinds and therefore her father's honor would be smudged and the Muggle Protection Act wouldn't pass and b) threatened the lives of his fellow school governors families unless they ordered Dumbledore's resignation.
Why the fuck wasn't he thrown in Azkaban for that?
I mean, we know he was sacked as a governor, but that kinda seems like closing the stable door after the horses are gone, doesn't it? Let's suppose he was able to bribe people and slither out of blame for the first one as it wouldn't be able to be conclusively proved. But Dumbledore had twelve letters from twelve different school governors stating that Malfoy was using extortion to get his way at the expense of hundreds of innocent kids.
And EVEN if that isn't a crime in the wizard world (although it clearly should be) one would at least suppose that it would besmirch his reputation a tad and therefore lend more credence to Harry's claims he was a deatheater in book five.
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Post by DefyingLogic on Aug 2, 2011 20:10:31 GMT -8
I can't remember if this was ever mentioned, and I don't have the books on me, so does anyone know what happened to Fudge after he was sacked? I'm drawing a blank here. Didn't he die? Didn't the beginning of 6 state he became errand boy for Rufus?
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Post by akittywithglasses on Aug 2, 2011 23:01:57 GMT -8
This is one that is really, really bothering me. In the end of the second book it is discovered that Lucius Malfoy a) gave an eleven year old girl a dark object so she could get possessed by Voldemort and try and murder a whole bunch of kinds and therefore her father's honor would be smudged and the Muggle Protection Act wouldn't pass and b) threatened the lives of his fellow school governors families unless they ordered Dumbledore's resignation. Why the fuck wasn't he thrown in Azkaban for that? I mean, we know he was sacked as a governor, but that kinda seems like closing the stable door after the horses are gone, doesn't it? Let's suppose he was able to bribe people and slither out of blame for the first one as it wouldn't be able to be conclusively proved. But Dumbledore had twelve letters from twelve different school governors stating that Malfoy was using extortion to get his way at the expense of hundreds of innocent kids. And EVEN if that isn't a crime in the wizard world (although it clearly should be) one would at least suppose that it would besmirch his reputation a tad and therefore lend more credence to Harry's claims he was a deatheater in book five. It's just like it is in the Muggle world, if you're well connected you can get out of anything.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Aug 4, 2011 1:46:22 GMT -8
This is one that is really, really bothering me. In the end of the second book it is discovered that Lucius Malfoy a) gave an eleven year old girl a dark object so she could get possessed by Voldemort and try and murder a whole bunch of kinds and therefore her father's honor would be smudged and the Muggle Protection Act wouldn't pass and b) threatened the lives of his fellow school governors families unless they ordered Dumbledore's resignation. Why the fuck wasn't he thrown in Azkaban for that? I mean, we know he was sacked as a governor, but that kinda seems like closing the stable door after the horses are gone, doesn't it? Let's suppose he was able to bribe people and slither out of blame for the first one as it wouldn't be able to be conclusively proved. But Dumbledore had twelve letters from twelve different school governors stating that Malfoy was using extortion to get his way at the expense of hundreds of innocent kids. And EVEN if that isn't a crime in the wizard world (although it clearly should be) one would at least suppose that it would besmirch his reputation a tad and therefore lend more credence to Harry's claims he was a deatheater in book five. It's just like it is in the Muggle world, if you're well connected you can get out of anything.
Actually, if you pay attention to the wording, at least in the movie, Dumbledore didn't have letters from the school governors, I always assumed he went and spoke with them, but he said they were all 'Under the Impression' which to me implies that he never actually threatened them. Lucius Malfoy is not just his money, he is a very cunning and manipulating person, he has known how to tread the line between lawful and unlawful and talked himself out being seen as a voldermort follower, convincing governors that what he said to them was meant entirely a different way when he thought his son was in danger would be child's play to that.
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Post by limelightqueen on Aug 4, 2011 15:40:58 GMT -8
Well, we know that they had enough info to get him fired from being a school governor. If they had enough info for that then they should have had enough info to get him thrown in Azkaban.
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Post by slightlysane on Aug 4, 2011 16:04:31 GMT -8
Whatever info they had on him probably didn't pertain to crimes serious enough to get him sent to Azkaban.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Aug 6, 2011 19:07:02 GMT -8
Well, we know that they had enough info to get him fired from being a school governor. If they had enough info for that then they should have had enough info to get him thrown in Azkaban.
That could simply been for his bad judgement call (removing dumbledore) that almost resulted in the death of a student, and had dumbledore been there they assumed things would've never escalated that far.
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Post by Catalpa on Aug 22, 2011 6:49:47 GMT -8
How about this? In The Goblet of Fire, the Priori Incantem caused all of Voldemort's victims to come out of the wand, in order from most recent to least, right? But James comes out before Lily does, even though it's cannon that he dies before her.
Also, I'm pretty sure Voldemort killed a few more people with that wand before the Potters. Why didn't those come out? Granted, it never specifically says that he murdered anyone else with it. He killed the Riddles with his uncle's wand, and theoretically he could have used his Death Eaters for everyone else... But I can't imagine why he would use a different wand when creating his 5 other horcruxes.
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