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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 22, 2011 18:33:32 GMT -8
While in general I prefer the minor character stories to the main characters in Twilight, and while Rosalie is actually one of my favourite characters (though that concept is relative with this series,) I get irrationally annoyed by the fact that her brief story contains so damn many factual errors and common sense errors for such a short chunk of text. I lived in Rochester for awhile. Rosalie was planning an outdoor wedding in April! Um... riiiight. I mean I suppose you could, it's not like you would freeze to death, but it wouldn't be particularly pleasant for anyone. She seemed genuinely bothered by the possibility of having to move indoors. Plan for a different time of year, then, perhaps? I helped plan an outdoor wedding in the Rochester area for August and we almost had to use our rain plan but it cleared up in time. April? Nuh-uh. The weather is implied to be unseasonable (again in April) because Rosalie was chilly walking home. No, that's normal, actually. It could even possibly have snowed, some years. It was weird to me that someone who had alleged grown up there found that weather unusual. Does Meyer not have any idea what the climate of Western NY is? She seems to think it's the same as the Southwest! It definitely isn't! Meyer also seems not to realize that our beloved Flour City/Flower City was actually a significant centre of industry early in the 20th century, home to Eastman Kodak, Bausch & Lomb, and quite a lot of garment manufacturing. Of course Rochester was affected by the Depression like everywhere, but the social strata were very different than what Meyer imagines, particularly with Eastman Kodak as an economic player. *sigh* If Rosalie's story was set elsewhere, I probably wouldn't have noticed. But once again Meyer's lack of research took me right out of the plot. Not to mention the whole "my family was rich in the Depression because Daddy was a banker" thing.
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Post by Corporal Flashback on Jan 24, 2011 10:29:35 GMT -8
Why is John Travolta annoying? The only thing I've heard from him this year is about his son dying and him having a new baby. I hope Jamie Oliver was on that list. Anyone who will name their son Buddy Bear deserves to be bitch slapped. Especially since his daughters also have stupid names (Poppy Honey Rosie, Daisy Boo and Petal Blossom Rainbow). Jamie Oliver was, somewhere. John Travolta did some really annoying shit in Australia singing songs from Grease to the Australian football team during the World Cup for some sponsership deal with Qantas, cos he's a pilot so he flew the players around South Africa a bit. Is he really a former classmate of RPattz? I wonder what he was like in school. Ahh, man, I didn't know he went to school with Jack Whitehall. Whitehall is ridiculously posh as well.
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Post by J.Day on Jan 25, 2011 8:18:10 GMT -8
While in general I prefer the minor character stories to the main characters in Twilight, and while Rosalie is actually one of my favourite characters (though that concept is relative with this series,) I get irrationally annoyed by the fact that her brief story contains so damn many factual errors and common sense errors for such a short chunk of text. I lived in Rochester for awhile. Rosalie was planning an outdoor wedding in April! Um... riiiight. I mean I suppose you could, it's not like you would freeze to death, but it wouldn't be particularly pleasant for anyone. She seemed genuinely bothered by the possibility of having to move indoors. Plan for a different time of year, then, perhaps? I helped plan an outdoor wedding in the Rochester area for August and we almost had to use our rain plan but it cleared up in time. April? Nuh-uh. The weather is implied to be unseasonable (again in April) because Rosalie was chilly walking home. No, that's normal, actually. It could even possibly have snowed, some years. It was weird to me that someone who had alleged grown up there found that weather unusual. Does Meyer not have any idea what the climate of Western NY is? She seems to think it's the same as the Southwest! It definitely isn't! Meyer also seems not to realize that our beloved Flour City/Flower City was actually a significant centre of industry early in the 20th century, home to Eastman Kodak, Bausch & Lomb, and quite a lot of garment manufacturing. Of course Rochester was affected by the Depression like everywhere, but the social strata were very different than what Meyer imagines, particularly with Eastman Kodak as an economic player. *sigh* If Rosalie's story was set elsewhere, I probably wouldn't have noticed. But once again Meyer's lack of research took me right out of the plot. Obviously, Meyer has zero to no research skills. If I were her, I would have double-checked on the historical data of weather and climate conditions in April for Rochester, New York. I live in New York City, but upstate New York (especially the western parts) is an entirely different area as you move further inland from the Hudson River and further up towards Lake Ontario. It would be quite reasonable to assume that the April weather in Rochester, New York would be colder than in, say for instance, New York City. I would have gone to www.weather.com, entered "Rochester, NY, United States" in the search bar, scrolled down, clicked on a link on the right-hand side of the screen that says "Historical data" (located underneath the section "Today's high and low temperatures") and then looked at the average high and average low temperatures. This page, for instance, tells you a whole lot of information for not only the average temperatures, but also the record temperatures and the usual daylight/sunset times: www.weather.com/outlook/health/fitness/wxclimatology/daily/USNY1232?climoMonth=4It took me less than two minutes to pull up that information. (The link might not work, so if you want to re-conduct the search, you may have to do the search manually, as I had just described.) Based on that information, an outdoor wedding in April in Rochester, NY would not be a very bright idea. Everyone would still have to wear thick coats. What's the the point of having an outdoor wedding if you and your guests are only going to freeze and maybe catch pneumonia from sitting through an entire wedding ceremony? A summer wedding, perhaps anytime between June through August would have been a better alternative. Unfortunately, it never crossed Meyer's mind to do a simple research task in regards to setting and average weather conditions. As for the historical discrepancy that Rosalie's family survived the depression because her father was a banker, Meyer should have known better. If she did not have an inkling as to the circumstances surrounding the Great Depression, the least that Meyer could have done was do a quick search on Google or Wikipedia on the topic. I pulled these bits of information up in less than two minutes as well from this Wikipedia entry on the Great Depression: [/size] In contrast, economists (such as Barry Eichengreen, Milton Friedman and Peter Temin) point to monetary factors such as actions by the US Federal Reserve that contracted the money supply, as well as Britain's decision to return to the Gold Standard at pre-World War I parities (US$4.86:£1).[/quote] and also this If banks failed, then Rosalie and her family should have been poor. They would not be living in a comfortable house, throwing parties, or affording a lavish-style outdoor wedding. Further internal and interpersonal conflict could have been infused into Rosalie's back-story and made the character have more depth had Meyer done any proper research at all. All of it is failure and wasted potential because Meyer refused to get over her laziness and conduct proper research before or during the writing process. Even if Meyer was originally writing the story for her own entertainment (as most writers do anyway), then she should have considered that her storytelling could improve considerably with accurate historical data and basic knowledge of her chosen real-world settings. Laziness should not be an acceptable excuse for poor writing, especially when any Sherlock with a modem or router connected to their computer can easily access any necessary information vital to the storytelling via the Internet. Stephenie Meyer fails at not only simple concepts of biology, history, and research methods, but she also lacks common sense. How the woman ever managed to pass her classes in high school and college, the world may never know.
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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 25, 2011 11:12:48 GMT -8
In Eclipse Bella goes to visit her mom in Florida and decides she prefers Forks to Florida. Why? It's too humid in Florida! Okay, SERIOUSLY? ? Bella spent most of the first book complaining about how moist and rainy Forks is. It's first described as "The rainiest place in the US" and then in New Moon Bella claims it is the rainiest place in the world! Yo- Smeyer- rain=humidity. Also, I find it hard to believe Washington State is rainier than say, the Amazon Rainforest.
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Post by J.Day on Jan 25, 2011 12:27:36 GMT -8
In Eclipse Bella goes to visit her mom in Florida and decides she prefers Forks to Florida. Why? It's too humid in Florida! Okay, SERIOUSLY? ? Bella spent most of the first book complaining about how moist and rainy Forks is. It's first described as "The rainiest place in the US" and then in New Moon Bella claims it is the rainiest place in the world! Yo- Smeyer- rain=humidity. Also, I find it hard to believe Washington State is rainier than say, the Amazon Rainforest. That's so true. I think Bella decided against going to Florida with her mother because Florida is a sunny place just like Arizona, and Bella thinks that she'll stick out among the other girls for having pale skin despite being raised in a sunny state. Not that she doesn't stick out in Forks and gets extra attention from the guys there or anything, despite looking like a "half-albino" mouse with a horrible sense of humor and no concept of simple genetics in biology. Because Bella is so fucking special.
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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 25, 2011 16:52:36 GMT -8
^ Except that she's complaining about it's moisture in her head too.
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Post by vampirekites on Jan 25, 2011 20:21:21 GMT -8
In Eclipse Bella goes to visit her mom in Florida and decides she prefers Forks to Florida. Why? It's too humid in Florida! Okay, SERIOUSLY? ? Bella spent most of the first book complaining about how moist and rainy Forks is. It's first described as "The rainiest place in the US" and then in New Moon Bella claims it is the rainiest place in the world! Yo- Smeyer- rain=humidity. Also, I find it hard to believe Washington State is rainier than say, the Amazon Rainforest. That's so true. I think Bella decided against going to Florida with her mother because Florida is a sunny place just like Arizona, and Bella thinks that she'll stick out among the other girls for having pale skin despite being raised in a sunny state. Not that she doesn't stick out in Forks and gets extra attention from the guys there or anything, despite looking like a "half-albino" mouse with a horrible sense of humor and no concept of simple genetics in biology. Because Bella is so fucking special.
I think it has more to do with Bella assimilating to the cold and dark of Forks because of Edward. She even said before that she was getting used to the weather. It's sort of like an extension of him, this cool, dark place of Forks. Florida is way too sunny and warm, and would pull Bella away from her hyper-serious mood that she has when she's in Forks. She needs to have that dark, cold, moody demeanor because that's how Edward acts.
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Post by J.Day on Jan 26, 2011 10:40:03 GMT -8
That's so true. I think Bella decided against going to Florida with her mother because Florida is a sunny place just like Arizona, and Bella thinks that she'll stick out among the other girls for having pale skin despite being raised in a sunny state. Not that she doesn't stick out in Forks and gets extra attention from the guys there or anything, despite looking like a "half-albino" mouse with a horrible sense of humor and no concept of simple genetics in biology. Because Bella is so fucking special.
I think it has more to do with Bella assimilating to the cold and dark of Forks because of Edward. She even said before that she was getting used to the weather. It's sort of like an extension of him, this cool, dark place of Forks. Florida is way too sunny and warm, and would pull Bella away from her hyper-serious mood that she has when she's in Forks. She needs to have that dark, cold, moody demeanor because that's how Edward acts.I was being sarcastic when I wrote that, lol. But I definitely get what you mean, VK. I definitely do.
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Post by vampirekites on Jan 26, 2011 12:22:03 GMT -8
oh geez! Sorry, I didn't catch that! *embarassed*.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Jan 26, 2011 14:08:39 GMT -8
I got the impression that Bella would just complain about something wherever she was, because nothing is ever enough for her.
Forks? Too dark, too rainy, too many... plants... or something. Florida? Too sunny, too humid, delicate Bella can't handle such a hot climate. Heaven? Too many clouds, too much harp music, too many angels, etc.
To me it just seemed like no place will ever be good enough for Special Bella Who Deserves Every Good Thing, rather than that there was anything actually wrong with either place.
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Post by J.Day on Jan 26, 2011 14:18:18 GMT -8
So... Bella's like the never-satisfied "Goldilocks" or something like that.
Too dark, too sunny, too cold, too hot, too much attention, not enough attention, too much of an ugly duckling for Edward, way too pretty for the other boys who happen to show an interest in her, too pretentious yet at the same time she's also supposed to be incredibly down-to-earth... blah, blah, blah, bitch, moan, blah, blah...
Yeah, Bella has a chronic case of always seeing life as a glass that's three-quarters of the way empty instead of half-full.
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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 26, 2011 19:22:32 GMT -8
^ And not only that, it's half empty with urine.
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Post by reniefuwa on Jan 26, 2011 22:52:58 GMT -8
Bella: Why won't everybody just leave me alone?...Wait, don't ignore me!
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Post by vampirekites on Jan 27, 2011 0:19:47 GMT -8
well you can tell it's a big self-insert because of Bella's attitude. She wants to look like an awkward teen by being embarrassed by all the attention, yet Smeyer wants you (the audience) to know that everyone in the world loves her. It's a classic bit in most self-insert fanfiction.
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Post by nuxi on Jan 27, 2011 4:40:01 GMT -8
I just found out Rami Malek is going to be playing Benjamin. He played Snafu in The Pacific and stole every scene he was in. It's no coincidence that the series started being decent and compelling right around the time Snafu was introduced. (of course that's also when they started focusing on Sledge, the only decent actor with a truly involving story line among the 3 main characters) Warning, major spoilers for The Pacific: He has been in Night at the Museum, though, so it's not like being in a crap movie is anything new to him. Still, I'd like to see him play an actual three-dimensional character again.
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Post by vampirekites on Jan 27, 2011 5:31:31 GMT -8
Rogers and Hollands have Twilight inspired jewlery. One is called Blue Twilight and the other is Crimson Eclipse. I saw a HUGE billboard on the expressway and it's got the Twilight font, so it's exclusively pandering to the fans. Blue Twilight CollectionCrimson Eclipse Ring
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Post by Corporal Flashback on Jan 27, 2011 11:04:05 GMT -8
There's a new club in my town, and they have a student night called Twilight. The weirdest thing is that they use the font from the Harry Potter movies. I'll get a pic next time I go, it's really strange.
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Post by J.Day on Jan 27, 2011 11:22:43 GMT -8
I just found out Rami Malek is going to be playing Benjamin. He played Snafu in The Pacific and stole every scene he was in. It's no coincidence that the series started being decent and compelling right around the time Snafu was introduced. (of course that's also when they started focusing on Sledge, the only decent actor with a truly involving story line among the 3 main characters) Warning, major spoilers for The Pacific: He has been in Night at the Museum, though, so it's not like being in a crap movie is anything new to him. Still, I'd like to see him play an actual three-dimensional character again. I feel the same way! Malek's performance in The Pacific was actually pretty good, along with the other cast members' performances, and his role as Snafu convinced me that he is really capable of playing characters with depth. As for his casting as Benjamin in Breaking Dawn, I'm going to pretend he wasn't in that movie.
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Post by vampirekites on Jan 27, 2011 12:45:33 GMT -8
I'm thinking they get casted to get more exposure. I don't know how well that flies with the more minor characters, since a lot of the other ones aren't really that popular still (except for the ones that appeal to the tweens/teens crowd). Plus, they are going to be part of this big franchise so their paychecks won't be too shabby. I just don't like how they all pretend like they are going into some sort of quality film. The movies aren't getting Razzie noms for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 16:57:06 GMT -8
It makes me feel sad that now, everytime someone mentions vampire movies, Twilight or not, everyone automatically thinks about cheesy romance flicks. Seriously.....as a hardcore horror fan, I yearn for the days when vampires were complete and utter douchebag monsters that you drove a stake into, not creamed your pants over.
However, when my friend and I were dicking around on the Hot Topic website and I saw one of the products they carried was "Volturi Make-Up Kit", it cheered me up. On one hand, I knew I should've been thinking "Goddamn consumerism!" but on the other, the idea that the all-powerful vampire royalty council thing had their own goddamn eyeshadow, made me lol.
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Post by Lord Lovrina on Feb 1, 2011 14:56:15 GMT -8
Fangirls who must defend their book to the death. I've been yelled at twice this week thanks to them for thinking that the book is "meh" worthy.
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Post by Lyra on Feb 1, 2011 15:13:56 GMT -8
I'm surfing DA and a Netflix Eclipse ad keeps popping up. It has a screenshot of Bella and Jacob in front of a car with no hint of there being any vampires or werewolves in it. It cracks me up for some reason- maybe because it shows how boring it is.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Feb 1, 2011 15:49:19 GMT -8
Fangirls who must defend their book to the death. I've been yelled at twice this week thanks to them for thinking that the book is "meh" worthy. Tell them that their attitude makes you hate the books even more
Fangirls ruin everything
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Post by limelightqueen on Feb 2, 2011 10:59:12 GMT -8
Fangirls who say the only reason I dislike Twilight is that I've never been in love. Actually, it's because I've been in love- both horrible, obsessive and abuse love and wonderful, caring, respectful love- that I hate Twilight. It is that experience with love that I can tell that Bella and Edward's relationship falls into the former of the two.
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Post by Lord Lovrina on Feb 2, 2011 16:51:25 GMT -8
Fangirls who must defend their book to the death. I've been yelled at twice this week thanks to them for thinking that the book is "meh" worthy. Tell them that their attitude makes you hate the books even more
Fangirls ruin everythingI keep telling them that. They are still rude as hell. I didn't even argue back yesterday because I wanted my freaking diner.
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Post by vampirekites on Feb 2, 2011 16:57:47 GMT -8
I just don't understand how these people think Twilight is exempt from criticism or an opposing opinion. I'm sure they dump all over other fandoms, but get butthurt when someone talks about Twilight in a negative way. I don't expect people to like what I like, and I don't like a lot of things others like. That's kind of how it works.
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Post by Lord Lovrina on Feb 2, 2011 17:00:11 GMT -8
Fangirls who say the only reason I dislike Twilight is that I've never been in love. Actually, it's because I've been in love- both horrible, obsessive and abuse love and wonderful, caring, respectful love- that I hate Twilight. It is that experience with love that I can tell that Bella and Edward's relationship falls into the former of the two. Ditto on that. I've been stalked before and Bedward's relationship had that creepy feeling I got whenever I knew I was being stalked. I've actually been told that I'm too fat and ugly to get a boyfriend, but only the Twihards have tried to burn it into my mind that if I don't like Twilight I will have a bunch cats and die alone. *Newsflash* Twihards, I have 9 cats and a sweetie pie who love me very much.
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Post by vampirekites on Feb 2, 2011 17:03:50 GMT -8
they're the ones who probably will end up dying alone because they base the standards for boyfriends on a fictional character.
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Post by limelightqueen on Feb 2, 2011 17:06:06 GMT -8
Hopefully they'll grow out of it. Most young girls build up high expectations for men based on chick flicks and TV shows. And most of them eventually realize that real men aren't like that, but many men are pretty great anyway.
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Post by Lord Lovrina on Feb 2, 2011 18:55:49 GMT -8
Hopefully they'll grow out of it. Most young girls build up high expectations for men based on chick flicks and TV shows. And most of them eventually realize that real men aren't like that, but many men are pretty great anyway. I know I did that when I was 13 years old, but it was mild crush on Gale in Petals on a River. And at least it was healthy because I kind of developed a soft spot for single dads and hard working people. And I never said some of the things insane fantards say about anti-Twilighters. However dealing with Twihards, who start stupid shit for no apparent reason, every day is annoying... Especially considering I can't stand going to an all woman's college, and I'm angry at the school for firing some of my favorite teachers. On top of that I'm stressed because of deadlines, so yesterday when that Twihard did that before I was going to go eat my dinner actually caused me to almost miss a deadline.
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