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Post by vampirekites on Jan 1, 2011 4:16:47 GMT -8
Or a revenge fic and a WHOLE LOT of fantasy fic. Every crappy fanfiction trope is in Twilight.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 1, 2011 8:25:40 GMT -8
^Completely. I mean, get with the times, Meyer-nobody picks on blondes anymore, it's redheads now! *just thought of that and couldn't resist saying it*
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Post by blenderbender on Jan 1, 2011 11:35:02 GMT -8
Twilight does have potential, but Meyer seems hellbent on sucking that potential out with a straw. You can tell if you go on TV Tropes and look at the fanfic stuff. Five bucks says you'll find the majority of them in Twilight.
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Post by TheAngel'sWings on Jan 6, 2011 10:31:41 GMT -8
I reckon SMeyer has a real penchant for screwing around with characters she doesn't like, without even calling attention to it. -IIRC, when in wolf-form with linked minds, one can hear others thoughts - and experiences them from the other person's point of view, through their eyes, etc/whatever. -Since everyone seems to hate Leah and constantly put her down, and she gets this from a first-person point of view, she must internalise this (at least to an extent). -Negative effects almost certainly include self-loathing, constant self-critiquing, feeling worthless... etc. I'd like to see a fic where this is fully explored. >.>
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 6, 2011 13:43:35 GMT -8
^But then you would think that it would go both ways and the guys would be feeling what she feels from the first person POV as well. So how is it that they can remain so unsympathetic?
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Jan 6, 2011 13:58:25 GMT -8
^But then you would think that it would go both ways and the guys would be feeling what she feels from the first person POV as well. So how is it that they can remain so unsympathetic? Maybe because Sam is their boss, or they're sexist pigs
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 6, 2011 14:07:53 GMT -8
^But then you would think that it would go both ways and the guys would be feeling what she feels from the first person POV as well. So how is it that they can remain so unsympathetic? Maybe because Sam is their boss, or they're sexist pigs Maybe it has something to do with imprinting and how powerful it is? If imprinting is supposed to be the end-all be-all true love and they're experiencing it from Sam's POV, maybe Leah's pain simply doesn't compare and the love she feels for Sam doesn't match up to the blind devotion he has for Emily?
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Post by blenderbender on Jan 6, 2011 18:38:59 GMT -8
Must be something alomg those lines.
All the more reason to leave.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 6, 2011 21:37:58 GMT -8
^I think CN's idea sounds right. He's so single-minded in his "love" for Emily that Leah's thoughts get sort of... overruled.
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Post by Cranky Dreamer (Ni!) on Jan 14, 2011 15:07:59 GMT -8
I have been wondering that if the imprinting broke suddenly, the wolves who had imprinted are free to love who they want. Would she use that chance to get back with Sam again? I do know that Leah did run away to join Jacob's pack, just to get away from Sam and other. But then again, Sam was cruel to Leah while she was in his pack.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 14, 2011 17:37:54 GMT -8
^And then had the nerve to send Jared to beg her back, even going so far as to use his old pet name for her as though it still meant something. It honestly seems as though he didn't care for her at all. He just wanted her back under his thumb. The whole "come back where you belong" line kinda suggests as much.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that even if he did break it, she shouldn't get back with Sam. She's better off without him.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Jan 14, 2011 17:47:10 GMT -8
Yeah, I think there would just be too much water under the bridge with Sam. Whether it was actually his fault how he was acting or whether he was basically mind-controlled by imprinting... it happened. And it can't un-happen by them getting back together. I think either way, there would just be too much baggage for them to be in a relationship again.
I also suspect Leah would prove more loyal to Emily than Emily was to Leah, but I don't have proof positive for that other than that Leah seems to have more emotional strength and sense of self independent of a romantic relationship.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 14, 2011 17:56:44 GMT -8
^Agreed. Outside of Meyer's warped vision of reality, the whole aspect of "soulmates" and "true love" is just too flimsy. What if Sam broke the imprint? On the one hand, it could be seen as showing that his love for her is stronger than whatever mystical force tried to put him with Emily, but on the flip side, it also means that he pretty much betrayed Leah for nothing. The reasoning is simply too weak. And lets face it, if he was able to do it once and justify it with such a lame excuse, what's stopping it from happening again? And that's not even getting into the horrible treatment she had to suffer because of him.
All things considered, despite her anger and bitterness, Leah DID agree to be Emily's bridesmaid. The reasons why are up for debate, but I think that shows at least a bit of loyalty to the girl who pretty much stabbed her in the back.
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Post by Cranky Dreamer (Ni!) on Jan 14, 2011 18:04:36 GMT -8
^^That is true! Man, is the imprinting twisted! All because that he had began changing into a werewolf... Hell, I bet even if he didn't imprinted on Emily, he'd be still bad. I even thought that Emily is with him because she's scared of him.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 14, 2011 19:24:37 GMT -8
^Actually, most of us used to think the same thing until Meyer ruined it for us in an interview when she made a statement to the effect of Emily had been wanting Sam since Leah told her about him--as in before they ever MET. And when Emily turned him down, it was out of a sense of propriety. Then he got mad and slashed her face.
So on the one hand, we have Sam as an abusive prick. But on the other hand, we have Emily as a selfish and manipulative skank. Either way, I think they're both scum.
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Post by Cranky Dreamer (Ni!) on Jan 14, 2011 19:29:20 GMT -8
^...My god. And people claimed this to be a true love?!
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Post by blenderbender on Jan 14, 2011 21:02:39 GMT -8
^Yeah, but on the other hand, so are Bella and Edward, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 14, 2011 21:21:50 GMT -8
^...My god. And people claimed this to be a true love?!
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 15, 2011 5:30:12 GMT -8
^Actually, most of us used to think the same thing until Meyer ruined it for us in an interview when she made a statement to the effect of Emily had been wanting Sam since Leah told her about him--as in before they ever MET. Wait, she was crushing on her cousin/best friend's boyfriend when all she knew about him was that he was her cousin/best friend's boyfriend? I've had my friends tell me about guys they are dating. And when they tell me about a guy who seems really great my thought process is "He sounds like a great guy, I'm so happy for you!" not "He sounds like a great guy, I want to steal him from you!"
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 15, 2011 10:39:50 GMT -8
^Actually, most of us used to think the same thing until Meyer ruined it for us in an interview when she made a statement to the effect of Emily had been wanting Sam since Leah told her about him--as in before they ever MET. Wait, she was crushing on her cousin/best friend's boyfriend when all she knew about him was that he was her cousin/best friend's boyfriend? I've had my friends tell me about guys they are dating. And when they tell me about a guy who seems really great my thought process is "He sounds like a great guy, I'm so happy for you!" not "He sounds like a great guy, I want to steal him from you!" Pretty much. And when she told him "no", she felt "guilty as sin" because she was attracted to him as well. Except she said it in a mean enough way that he wolfed-out and ripped her face off. Agreed. I'm happy for my friends when they're dating a great guy. Planning to steal him from that friend before ever even meeting him aren't the type of thoughts that come to mind for most people--at least not seriously for the ones who DON'T intend to follow through. Since Emily was seriously attracted to him from the get go...or even BEFORE, it seriously implies that Sam broke up with Leah because EMILY WANTED HIM TO.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Jan 15, 2011 15:42:25 GMT -8
Wait, she was crushing on her cousin/best friend's boyfriend when all she knew about him was that he was her cousin/best friend's boyfriend? I've had my friends tell me about guys they are dating. And when they tell me about a guy who seems really great my thought process is "He sounds like a great guy, I'm so happy for you!" not "He sounds like a great guy, I want to steal him from you!" Pretty much. And when she told him "no", she felt "guilty as sin" because she was attracted to him as well. Except she said it in a mean enough way that he wolfed-out and ripped her face off. Agreed. I'm happy for my friends when they're dating a great guy. Planning to steal him from that friend before ever even meeting him aren't the type of thoughts that come to mind for most people--at least not seriously for the ones who DON'T intend to follow through. Since Emily was seriously attracted to him from the get go...or even BEFORE, it seriously implies that Sam broke up with Leah because EMILY WANTED HIM TO. So, in short, Emily is a back-stabbing cunt, right?
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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 15, 2011 15:56:07 GMT -8
Yeah, pretty much. And why should someone feel guilty about turning down the ex-boyfriend of your best friend/cousin? When it comes to friendship and family there are some lines you do not cross. Ever. That is one of them.
Story time! Back when I was fourteen I had a mad crush on my sister's boyfriend. I chalk it up to being an awkward adolescent and him being nice to me because he had to because I was, well, his girlfriend's awkward little sister. And even back then, as a hormone-crazed fourteen year old with all the common sense of a housefly, if he had shown the slightest bit of interest in me (which he didn't) I still would have shot him down with no remorse because he was my sister's boyfriend. Period. End of story.
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Post by blenderbender on Jan 15, 2011 21:11:11 GMT -8
Yeah, there's some lines that are taboo. What this boils into is that Emily is a backstabbing little witch who'd be portrayed as a villainous shrew in any serious romance, or even a decent coming of age story (Leah moving on, putting herself back together after this, her dad dying, and everything else).
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 15, 2011 21:16:27 GMT -8
@lady Phoenix: Pretty much. At least, that's what I got out of it. Meyer would have us believe that they're "OMG SOULMATES" and the attraction somehow went both ways. limelightqueen: The way I read it, it could be taken as either Emily felt guilty for liking him or she felt guilty for turning him down BECAUSE she liked him. Nice to know. I don't see anything wrong with feelings or attraction, as they can't really be helped. In this way, I had nothing against Emily for having some attraction for her cousin's fiancee. I thought it was kind of weird that she felt this way before ever meeting him, but feelings can't really be helped. It's how you ACT regarding those feelings that I take issue with. Because there's a clear difference between having feelings for someone and acting on those feelings. In your case, you were wise enough to know the difference. Emily was not. blenderbender: *Gasp!* But that would require REALISM! And not to mention "dark" things. And we all know neither exists in Meyer's world.
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Post by blenderbender on Jan 16, 2011 17:27:35 GMT -8
I should have made my meaning plainer. Any decent romance or coming of age story written by a competant writer.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 17, 2011 16:40:54 GMT -8
Somebody's got to write a book about Leah. I mean, there are two ways it could go: Leah gets over it, becomes a strong individual, maybe ends up romantically involved, maybe not, and shows she doesn't need Sam to survive, OR, she goes crazy, kills a ton of people, etc. etc. Either way, it's a better story than Twilight.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 17, 2011 18:18:53 GMT -8
^Unless Meyer writes it. In which case, Leah will imprint, see how wrong she was to resent Sam and Emily for betraying her, and likely become "bestest friends 4evah!" with Bella.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 19:29:26 GMT -8
^Unless Meyer writes it. In which case, Leah will imprint, see how wrong she was to resent Sam and Emily for betraying her, and likely become "bestest friends 4evah!" with Bella. And then give horrible, uterus bursting birth to some disturbing abomination that everyone will love.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 17, 2011 19:45:25 GMT -8
^Unless Meyer writes it. In which case, Leah will imprint, see how wrong she was to resent Sam and Emily for betraying her, and likely become "bestest friends 4evah!" with Bella. And then give horrible, uterus bursting birth to some disturbing abomination that everyone will love. Or die needlessly like Bree Tanner. Possibly as a sacrifice in order to save Sam and Emily's "happily ever after".
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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 17, 2011 20:11:34 GMT -8
True... but in the hands of a competent author, it would be ok.
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