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Post by firegirl26 on Nov 7, 2010 13:35:06 GMT -8
come on you know you want to talk about it ;D
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Post by PiedPiperPluto on Nov 7, 2010 14:03:07 GMT -8
I'll go first.
New Moon. The entirety of New Moon could have been avoided if Edward just said, "Evil vampires will eat you if we don't break up" instead of acting like a douche and not giving an actual reason.
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 7, 2010 14:07:17 GMT -8
The Cullens pretending to be human and going to school. No one would suspect anything since no one would ask. Having them go to school creates more conflict, plus it's such a cliched way for Edward and Bella to meet. Even them living next door or just in the same town could have been used.
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Post by neokumamon on Nov 7, 2010 14:38:58 GMT -8
To be fair, they're not so much holes as they are great, gaping, bottomless pits. @thread: Pretty much anything involving the sparkling or her trying to explain her plot with science.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 7, 2010 15:33:16 GMT -8
The Cullens pretending to be human and going to school. No one would suspect anything since no one would ask. Having them go to school creates more conflict, plus it's such a cliched way for Edward and Bella to meet. Even them living next door or just in the same town could have been used.
Also, why do the "younger" couples in the Cullen family-- Alice/Jasper and Rosalie/Emmet-- pretend to all be brothers and sisters? Why couldn't they up their supposed age beyond high school, and then say one partner in the couple had been adopted by Carlisle and Esme and the other was that one's spouse or live-in boyfriend or girlfriend? Which would actually be... you know... a normal family arrangement that wouldn't get much attention? Young couples do sometimes live with their parents or in-laws while they get on their feet. The incestuous foster sibling rumour draws a lot more notice from the humans than something more commonplace would, so I don't really see the point in that particular deception.
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 7, 2010 16:22:21 GMT -8
Not to mention that there aren't that many "normal" families, i.e. Mom, Dad, brothers and sisters. Look at mine. I live with my parents and my baby nephew. My boss lives with her fiance, her parents and her nephew. If it was just two siblings living with their s.o. for the time being, no one would blink an eye. If people were nosy, they can say they are living with the "parents" for the time being before they can get a place of their own. Or not even say a damn thing cause NO ONE WOULD ASK. And so what if they did? Would that prove they are vampires cause a bunch of people live in the same house? NO. It's fucking stupid!
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Post by Nebbles is quite whimsical on Nov 7, 2010 16:54:56 GMT -8
What about the Cullens having all that money? There's no way possible Alice could've predicted the stocks, considering how quickly they change.
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Post by Wizard Of Orz on Nov 7, 2010 16:57:02 GMT -8
What about how Edward gets it up?
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 7, 2010 17:01:02 GMT -8
What about how Edward gets it up?
That's not a plot hole, that's just a fucking fail on all levels.
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Post by queencherryfairy on Nov 7, 2010 17:01:28 GMT -8
What about how Edward gets it up? Now, there's a plot hole I found before I found this site or ever even looked into the Twilight series! XD I heard someone say that Edward and Bella had a child, and I remembered hearing my mom and sister (who are Twilight fans) say something about how the vampires' bodies are frozen in time. I was like: "Hm...An erection is caused when blood flows to the penis. If Edward's blood doesn't flow, how does he get an erect penis?" I said this to my best friend and she cracked up.
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 7, 2010 20:06:44 GMT -8
I think the best explanation for that is that Smeyer used "soap opera sex" for that. There was no real intercourse, just kissing, holding on tightly while moving a bit and more purple prose than needed.
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Post by Elentari on Nov 8, 2010 11:07:31 GMT -8
What bugs me greatly is the all babbling about Bella's supposed extra delicious freesia blood that especially calls to Ed. He spends half of the first book wailing just how much he wants to eat and kill her dead, and how much her blood calls to him. He tells about this "feeding frenzy" that takes over when pixies drink blood and that it's nearly impossible to stop. You'd think it would be especially strong when you're feeding on your very special bacon person.
But what do we actually see happen in the books? Ed can be real close to Bella - when he smelled her for the first time, he didn't go mad about it. He was completely cold and calculating about it. He can put his nose right against her skin and smell it and stay with her as long as he wants and he never ends up hurting her. He can be near her even if she's bleeding - he only needs to hold his breath. Heck, he can even drink her blood and stay completely sane and rational during it. Then enter New Moon. Bella has the infamous paper cut OF DOOOOM and Jasper goes immediately bat shit insane about it, although 1) they're in a closed room so no gust of air can throw the smell into his nose 2) due to his super fast reflexes he should be able to realize what is happening, hold his breath and get the hell out.
So, I ask, how on earth Ed can drink Bella's blood and stay all cool, when a single drop on the other side of the room makes Jasper go crazy? IS BELLA BACON TO ED OR NOT?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2010 20:52:13 GMT -8
^ There's something that always bothered me. She smells like freesia, right? When I smell flowers, I have no desire to eat them at all. I enjoy the smell, but I don't want to eat them. Now, it would make more sense why Edward is sooo attracted to her blood if she smelled bacon or some sort of food. But flowers? Why would he want to eat that? It seems she may be pleasent to be around because of her flowery smell, but a turn off as food. Or maybe if her blood smelled like, y'know, blood. He's a vampire so that would smell good, yeah? Makes zero sense to me. Freesia/=Yummy? Of course, Bella is special, so her blood is special too -.-
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Post by Elentari on Nov 9, 2010 7:25:53 GMT -8
^ I agree. And why on earth would blood even smell like flowers to meyerpires? Blood is their food, so you'd think it would be delicious enough smell on its own. I think the whole freesia thing is just another way to make Bella ZOMG SPESHUL.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 9, 2010 8:12:24 GMT -8
The Cullens in High School 1. How long HAVE they been in that school 2. If they repeated grades at least twice or more, wouldn't older teachers/staff have recognized them 3. Why would they let Jasper attend if he's STILL trying to control his urges? 4. HOW COULD ANYONE NOT SEE EDWARD SAVE BELLA?!?!?! Not even Tyler, they guy who almost made this book end a lot quicker!
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Post by Elentari on Nov 9, 2010 8:24:31 GMT -8
The Cullens in High School 1. How long HAVE they been in that school I remember Jessica saying that they had been in Forks about two, three years. If they had been there that long, Ed would have been about 14-15 (according to their cover story), and others not much older. People who are 17 years old can't really pass as a person who is 14. The young of that age can look really childlike. Weren't they in Forks during Jacob's great-grandfather's time? If they behaved just as distinctively as they do in Twilight, how come no one remembers them? Trust me, old people in small places like Forks have really long memory and they know things that happened selveral generations before - someone should remember them, not just Quileutes. I think someone actually tried to make sense of the timeline on the old forums, and it ended up being really screwed up. Exactly. If Alice can't see things like Bella's paper cut, how on earth can they let him go to high school where accidents like that happen all the time? Apparently she didn't see Tyler's van either - that would have been another situation that could've led Jasper going nuts over someone's blood. Yeah, one moment Meyer is babbling about this "sea of faces" and suddenly they all seem to go blind.
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Post by Alastor on Nov 9, 2010 8:51:45 GMT -8
How does no one notice a drop in wildlife populus?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2010 9:07:58 GMT -8
Is there any good reason why Edward has to be the one sucking out the venom from Bella in the first book? Isn't she supposed to be his cantante or whatever the shit it is? Carlisle was right there! He's used to it, he sees blood everyday and he has successfully transformed his whole family into vampires, which means he has perfect control.
Did I miss something here?
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 9, 2010 15:47:52 GMT -8
How does no one notice a drop in wildlife populus? I don't think Stephanie Meyer put in ANY sort of research regarding who exactly looks into the wildlife populations, and just assumes that over a gazillion animals are freely scurrying across the wild
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 9, 2010 16:20:56 GMT -8
4. HOW COULD ANYONE NOT SEE EDWARD SAVE BELLA?!?!?! Not even Tyler, they guy who almost made this book end a lot quicker! This has never made sense to me. People notice stuff like cars hitting or about to hit other people. Even with super-speed, it doesn't make sense that Edward is the only person who would figure out what was about to happen and react, or that normal humans wouldn't be able to even perceive the outcome. (For comparison purposes, I was struck by a car as a pedestrian. There were a few people around but not nearly as many as described in this scene. Within less than a minute emergency services had received three calls about the accident. No vampires, sparkling or otherwise, were involved.)
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Post by Avocados :D on Nov 10, 2010 13:16:31 GMT -8
Jasper freaks out over a paper cut.
He does not however freak out in a school filled with humans who can and will at least get a couple paper cuts. A school that does bloodtyping without asking permission.
I do not understand why this annoys me so much.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 10, 2010 13:29:19 GMT -8
Why id a teacher doing blood typing . . . as in forcing a kid to prick his finger without any written permission from his parents?
You think a mother with 2 or 3 kids would KNOW THIS SHIT!
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 10, 2010 13:46:41 GMT -8
I also don't understand the rationale for the blood type testing in the first place. It would have made marginally more sense if they were... like... studying blood types and Rh factors in class. (Though the value of it is iffy and they would definitely need parental permission.) But apparently they were doing it because there was a blood drive by the Red Cross?
Well, that's not going to help the Red Cross, because they can't just take your word for it. I donate blood regularly, and I'm aware that I have blood type O Negative. However, if you aren't already in their system, they have to type your blood to verify it's correct, because the consequences of giving someone the wrong blood type are so dire.
They aren't going to accept some test a high school student did in class. People's lives are at stake with Red Cross blood donation!
The sad part is Meyer could have learned this with a simple phone call and apparently didn't bother. (Unless she really doesn't mean for the Red Cross to use the results, in which case why try to relate it to a blood drive in the first place?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 14:23:43 GMT -8
Bella and Edward being on the west coast of Brazil bothers me way more than it should. I'm in tenth grade and it took me less than thirty seconds to double check if Brazil had a west coast or not, how come SMeyer couldn't.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 10, 2010 14:31:07 GMT -8
Bella and Edward being on the west coast of Brazil bothers me way more than it should. I'm in tenth grade and it took me less than thirty seconds to double check if Brazil had a west coast or not, how come SMeyer couldn't. Here's a better question, what kind of editor would let something so stupid pass?
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 10, 2010 16:01:08 GMT -8
Like I've said, she's going on common misconceptions and lazy research. It's all hearsay or bits of info she may have picked up long the way, but never did any extensive research. She probably figured no one would look into that since that's not the point of the books. Too bad she doesn't know about public criticism and that people will go over these books with a fine toothed comb and find a lot of plot, character and story problems.
This is what happens when you get encouraged by ONE person to publish these books, don't feel the need to have them properly edited, not do research and get incredibly lucky by publishing company who either didn't see the flaws themselves or didn't care. You have to wonder why she had so many rejections prior to being with Little Brown.
These books have "Amateur" written all over them, and instead of taking the time to really understand how to tell the story, she rushed them just to say she could write so many books in x amount of time. I know many other authors can do the same thing, but they also know how to write properly. I always compare Smeyer with the nouveau riche, that is, she got famous and wanted to show off. Instead of looking at her books, seeing flaws, and learning as a writer to better herself, she figured she's above all of that and goes in a straight line (or a steady decline, depending on who you talk to). Then she has the gonads to blame others for not understanding her books, which is wrong because we understand them, we just don't know why it is.
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Post by Philophobia on Nov 10, 2010 16:11:44 GMT -8
I hope I'm not wrong with this, but :
In Eclipse, it's mentioned that werewolves *cough* shapeshifters *cough* are both immortal and mortal.
You can't have both,SMeyer. You're either one or the other.
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Post by Corporal Flashback on Nov 10, 2010 16:17:50 GMT -8
I hope I'm not wrong with this, but : In Eclipse, it's mentioned that werewolves *cough* shapeshifters *cough* are both immortal and mortal. You can't have both,SMeyer. You're either one or the other. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they immortal in the terms of "they don't grow old while they still shapeshift" (or whatever it's called)? I haven't read Eclipse in a long time so I don't recall reading that, but that's what came to mind when I just read that.
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Post by Philophobia on Nov 10, 2010 16:27:58 GMT -8
I hope I'm not wrong with this, but : In Eclipse, it's mentioned that werewolves *cough* shapeshifters *cough* are both immortal and mortal. You can't have both,SMeyer. You're either one or the other. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they immortal in the terms of "they don't grow old while they still shapeshift" (or whatever it's called)? I haven't read Eclipse in a long time so I don't recall reading that, but that's what came to mind when I just read that. -shrug- I'm only reflecting on some point when I was glancing over at the page. Probably wrong.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Nov 10, 2010 16:29:56 GMT -8
Like I've said, she's going on common misconceptions and lazy research. It's all hearsay or bits of info she may have picked up long the way, but never did any extensive research. She probably figured no one would look into that since that's not the point of the books. Too bad she doesn't know about public criticism and that people will go over these books with a fine toothed comb and find a lot of plot, character and story problems. Part of my problem with it, though, is that her errors aren't just things that her readers would have to look into. It's things her readers might just know from their own lives, like what Washington State looks like, or the very basic geography of Brazil, or how you donate blood. That's why it's so grating to me-- because it's so glaring you don't need to be looking for errors to be hit in the face with one. Meyer definitely either needs to stick to what she actually knows, or do the research on things she doesn't. She could have solved this whole problem by setting her novel in a fantasy world like our own, so she wouldn't have to research. (Or by picking up a book and learning something.) It's just so sloppy...
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