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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 7:55:43 GMT -8
^ Wouldn't it make more sense, on the closed-mouth kissing thing, if he was more afraid that Bellasue would swallow some of his venom rather than it being absorbed through a cut in her mouth? True, but it still doesn't explain how Bella survived (bruising aside) banging him. And I hate to go by the movies, but how many times do they French each other?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 11:07:14 GMT -8
This one always bugged me. The vampires' general bodily fluids are venomous, right? Making it impossible for Bella and Edward to even kiss? That said, how come they're able to bang and conceive after they're married? Does the venom magically vanish after the wedding ceremony? I think that is one of the biggest plot holes in Twilight. Bella should have been vamped by Edward's venomous semen. It doesn't magically vanish, Meyer just didn't think about that. There had to be some bleeding especially if her hymen was torn and that is how venom could get into her blood stream. Therefore she should have turned.
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Post by watersheerie on Feb 27, 2012 0:51:38 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this is a plothole or not, but it bothers me:
The whole issue Edward had with Bella hanging out with Jacob was that werewolves are 'dangerous.' This is how Emily ends up scarred, she upsets Sam and ends up hurt. So not even the power of the imprint can protect someone from being accidentally hurt by a werewolf.
So why do they let Quil hang out with Claire?
Seriously, it was too dangerous for Bella to spend time with Jacob, but it's alright for a freakin' two year old to hang around a dangerous werewolf? And it's already been established that the whole imprint business won't protect you from accidents (Emily and Sam). We're beaten over the head with how dangerous it would be for Bella to be around Jacob if he lost control, yet they let Quil spend time with a child. A child. No one wonders what would happen if Quil lost control, or if Claire accidentally does something to piss him off the way Emily upset Sam. And having spent time with small children, let me tell you it's very easy for kids to push your buttons.
Meyer, either your werewolves are super dangerous or they aren't. You tell me that it's dangerous for Bella to be with Jacob and show me Emily's scars...then we see Quil casually and safely hanging out with a two year old. Make up your damn mind.
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Post by blackrose97 on Feb 27, 2012 13:21:59 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this is a plothole or not, but it bothers me: The whole issue Edward had with Bella hanging out with Jacob was that werewolves are 'dangerous.' This is how Emily ends up scarred, she upsets Sam and ends up hurt. So not even the power of the imprint can protect someone from being accidentally hurt by a werewolf. So why do they let Quil hang out with Claire? Seriously, it was too dangerous for Bella to spend time with Jacob, but it's alright for a freakin' two year old to hang around a dangerous werewolf? And it's already been established that the whole imprint business won't protect you from accidents (Emily and Sam). We're beaten over the head with how dangerous it would be for Bella to be around Jacob if he lost control, yet they let Quil spend time with a child. A child. No one wonders what would happen if Quil lost control, or if Claire accidentally does something to piss him off the way Emily upset Sam. And having spent time with small children, let me tell you it's very easy for kids to push your buttons. Meyer, either your werewolves are super dangerous or they aren't. You tell me that it's dangerous for Bella to be with Jacob and show me Emily's scars...then we see Quil casually and safely hanging out with a two year old. Make up your damn mind. Awesome point but think about it: the same people that think it's okay for Quil to babysit her also think it's okay for him to have sex with her in 16 years. They don't care about her to begin with. Again smeyer is the master of anti-suspense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 1:15:28 GMT -8
This one always bugged me. The vampires' general bodily fluids are venomous, right? Making it impossible for Bella and Edward to even kiss? That said, how come they're able to bang and conceive after they're married? Does the venom magically vanish after the wedding ceremony? I think that is one of the biggest plot holes in Twilight. Bella should have been vamped by Edward's venomous semen. It doesn't magically vanish, Meyer just didn't think about that. There had to be some bleeding especially if her hymen was torn and that is how venom could get into her blood stream. Therefore she should have turned. Many women tear their hymens before having sex for the first time, due to vigorous exercise. And most of the ejaculate is expelled by the female body in the first 30 minutes after sex. But some of it would remain, so she should have been vamped by that. But Breaking Dawn is so filled with biology fails that SMeyer wouldn't understand what's the problem even was. *headdesk*
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Post by limelightqueen on Mar 24, 2012 15:48:19 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this is a plothole or not, but it bothers me: The whole issue Edward had with Bella hanging out with Jacob was that werewolves are 'dangerous.' This is how Emily ends up scarred, she upsets Sam and ends up hurt. So not even the power of the imprint can protect someone from being accidentally hurt by a werewolf. So why do they let Quil hang out with Claire? Simple, Edward doesn't give a shit about anyone who isn't Bella. Remember how he didn't care if Charlie hung out in La Push? Charlie is Bella's dad. If he doesn't care about him, why should he care about some two year old he's never even met? For me, the more pertinent question is: why does Edward allow Bella near Jasper? To the best of my recollection, no werewolf attacked a human after Sam attacked Emily. But Jasper nearly killed Bella and Edward barely saved her. What if Ed and Alice were playing chess while Bella and Jasper watched and Bella stood up and tripped on air, skinning her knee in the process? Jasper would probably get to her first.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 1:28:38 GMT -8
I'm sure this may be considered not only a plot hole, but also a stupid concept this weird woman tried to shove down our throats:
The fact that the godmodding "vampires" have a skin hard as diamond and their bodies are made of small crystal-like substances. If they don't produce a lubricant for the movement of their joints, the friction could either cause them to unleash massive eletrostatic or else to combust themselves.
Also, the powers being based on scientific concepts also bug me down. In her mary-suetopia, genetic issues don't give you several problems like Down or Klinefelter, it makes you become an oversized furry.
Problem is: this old hag knows nothing about science and she tried to explain things using this to sound smart.
Also, the poisonous substance the parasitic fairies have DNA instead of enzymes and toxins. And I'm supposed to accept the fact that she WILL be the one that's going to give the dog-boy his descendants.
She simply don't care. Because her ego is huge and she got a massive load of cash by simply overmarketing her wish-fulfillment. Ever since I read Sailor Moon: American Kitsune and saw the scene where the protagonist shots Lord Zedd's palace from the EARTH, with a SHOTGUN, I never felt my intelligence insulted like that.
Also: The scene where she's on the hospital, everyone comes to see her despite she's a newcomer in the town. Also... she dismisses them, bitching on how mundane they are, yet no one ever said that she was being a dick.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on May 31, 2012 8:40:41 GMT -8
Of course they won't, because that will mean Bella -- along with Meyer and the reader -- are UNLIKABLE and NOT SPECIAL.
We can't have that!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 17:46:00 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this is a plothole or not, but it bothers me: The whole issue Edward had with Bella hanging out with Jacob was that werewolves are 'dangerous.' This is how Emily ends up scarred, she upsets Sam and ends up hurt. So not even the power of the imprint can protect someone from being accidentally hurt by a werewolf. So why do they let Quil hang out with Claire? Seriously, it was too dangerous for Bella to spend time with Jacob, but it's alright for a freakin' two year old to hang around a dangerous werewolf? And it's already been established that the whole imprint business won't protect you from accidents (Emily and Sam). We're beaten over the head with how dangerous it would be for Bella to be around Jacob if he lost control, yet they let Quil spend time with a child. A child. No one wonders what would happen if Quil lost control, or if Claire accidentally does something to piss him off the way Emily upset Sam. And having spent time with small children, let me tell you it's very easy for kids to push your buttons. Meyer, either your werewolves are super dangerous or they aren't. You tell me that it's dangerous for Bella to be with Jacob and show me Emily's scars...then we see Quil casually and safely hanging out with a two year old. Make up your damn mind. Agreed. I imagine that a two-year-old could piss a werewolf off even more than Bella can.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 18:09:54 GMT -8
Okay, I haven't read this whole forum because that would take forever, but here are some plot holes that bother me:
I know this was mentioned but, it's a freaking high school. In my high school blood was spattered on the walls for some reason or another at least once a semester. Fights in the hallways, a hard volleyball to the nose, sharp things, cutters, a bag blew up during the blood-drive, etc. Meyer, did you go to high school? It's not a sharkboy and lavagirl land of marshmallows and ice cream.
My sister pointed this out to me one day: on the flight to Italy, they are above the clouds. The sun is above the clouds. How are vampires not noticed on planes? I posted this on tumblr and was reminded that people don't look for the supernatural in life. And it's true, they don't. If I saw something glittering on a plane I'd think bling, or actual glitter or the reflection of someone's watch. But come on! A lot of light can get on a plane. A lot of people can see you. I know it's a tiny little thing, but it is a plot hole and it does bother me.
Also about Italy: When more than one tourist goes missing in any country it can make the news. When more than five go missing it will almost definitely make the news. When a big huge group goes missing the governments gonna be swarming that place.
Alice is not psychic. Alice may have some intuition, but she is clearly not psychic. If I had seen that a guy in a van was going to hit a patch of ice, I could probably calculate his trajectory in about a second. That is not being psychic. That's like if I think "I'm gonna get up right now and get a cup of coffee" and then I do it. It's only seeing the future in hindsight. I would say that Alice cannot see the future, but perhaps she can see for miles and miles. (The Who)
And finally, the flip-flopping of Bella and blood. Okay, she freaks out at a finger prick in book one. In book two she brushes off a papercut (p.s. never seen a papercut bleed so much as in the movie. In fact, never seen a drop of blood after a papercut). In book three she cuts her arm of her own will. In book four she drinks blood - and then suddenly won't touch it again. Since when is Bella a paragon of self control? Bella has NO self control. Isn't her obsessive desire for Edward's manhood proof of this? And apparently, lots of blood doesn't really freak her out that much either, just little tiny pricks of it. A whole human body pulsing with the stuff ought to turn her on, if the past is any indication.
The books do not CONTAIN plot holes. The books ARE black holes. They suck people into them. Their existence forces people to acknowledge them in negative and positive ways. Negative: fans putting time, energy, money, etc into the books and the fandom. Positive: people like me putting time and energy into laughing at them and pointing out their flaws. Until I stumbled onto this website, I had never wished SO MUCH that the Twilight books did not exist.
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Post by Mia Garossa on Dec 1, 2012 21:19:51 GMT -8
The books do not CONTAIN plot holes. The books ARE black holes. They suck people into them. Their existence forces people to acknowledge them in negative and positive ways. Negative: fans putting time, energy, money, etc into the books and the fandom. Positive: people like me putting time and energy into laughing at them and pointing out their flaws. Until I stumbled onto this website, I had never wished SO MUCH that the Twilight books did not exist. I loled. I think we all want to go back in time and brainwash little Stephy Meyer into becoming an engineer instead of a writer with wet dreams about vampires.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 16:54:11 GMT -8
My roommate and I were making fun of the Twilight series yet again when she noticed something I had not seen before - a magnificent plot hole! Obvious yet so wonderful!
If Jacob is in love with Bella because she is half of Renesmee, why wasn't he in love with Edward too? After all isn't the man supposed to contribute a little something to the genes. I mean, I know it's impossible in the case of vampires, but since it's out there...
Why isn't Jacob questioning his sexuality throughout Eclipse? Why didn't he ask Edward to dance at the wedding too?
How did I not notice this before?
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Post by castlemoon93 on Jan 7, 2013 13:32:04 GMT -8
The biggest plot hole that annoyed me was how Renee never found out about Renesmee and somehow it's pretended that she never will have the brain to, either. So Renee is just never going to visit them? What will they say when she does? How nice of them to never tell Renee she has a grandchild even though its a demon spawn. Also, won't Renessmee have resentment towards Bella and Edward when she's older because she won't be able to have any friends at all? She'll be so lonely when Edward and Bella are doing it 24/7
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 3:50:54 GMT -8
How the hell does Renesmee even exist? If Edward shouldnt have semen if his testicles stopped working a century ago.
West Coast of Brazil?
How does nobody notice how cold the Cullen's skin are?
How are the Denali so tame? They live in Alaska for all we know they could be killing people left and right and just say they are being "vegetarian"
Imprinting wtf?
How did Irina not smell Renesmee's human scent or hear her heartbeat?
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Post by EquinoxSolstice92 on Oct 9, 2013 2:47:05 GMT -8
I thin it's been mentioned before but how could Rosalie be so rich during the Great Depression? That's when the banks failed. It makes no sense. Meyer doesn't research history at all.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Oct 9, 2013 12:48:10 GMT -8
I thin it's been mentioned before but how could Rosalie be so rich during the Great Depression? That's when the banks failed. It makes no sense. Meyer doesn't research history at all. You answered you question right there. Might as well include how there were no sewer system in London in the 1600's, and that psycho wards do not work that way for Alice
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 0:48:13 GMT -8
I just had a thought! Shouldn't Bella's special Meyerpire power have been clumsiness? It was her biggest trait as a human.
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Post by Madame Celeste on Nov 8, 2013 1:20:09 GMT -8
The books do not CONTAIN plot holes. The books ARE black holes. They suck people into them. Their existence forces people to acknowledge them in negative and positive ways. Negative: fans putting time, energy, money, etc into the books and the fandom. Positive: people like me putting time and energy into laughing at them and pointing out their flaws. Until I stumbled onto this website, I had never wished SO MUCH that the Twilight books did not exist. I loled. I think we all want to go back in time and brainwash little Stephy Meyer into becoming an engineer instead of a writer with wet dreams about vampires. SMeyer as an engineer would be a disaster. We've already seen how she fails at science on so many levels; is that really the kind of engineer you'd want working to reduce pollution (environmental engineering), designing and/or building buildings/bridges/etc. (civil or construction engineering), designing our cars or planes (mechanical or aerospace engineering), or handling potentially dangerous chemicals (mostly chemical engineering, but other engineering disciplines may call for handling dangerous chemicals as well)? I'm majoring in civil and environmental engineering in college myself, so I can already imagine quite a few ways her science fails would screw her over in that discipline alone. (I'd list them now, but it's late and my brain is exhausted.)
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Post by marienomad on Mar 11, 2014 4:18:34 GMT -8
Why does Carlisle have human blood in the house when he and the other Cullens are 'vegetarians'?
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Post by trandafir on Jun 10, 2014 23:13:36 GMT -8
Not sure if this counts as a plot hole,but why is Bella(as human)immune to the vampires powers?I understand,she might have earned this ability once she became a vampire,but before?Is she THAT special.SMeyer didn't even explain why either.
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Post by malva on Jun 12, 2014 16:43:54 GMT -8
Not sure if this counts as a plot hole,but why is Bella(as human)immune to the vampires powers?I understand,she might have earned this ability once she became a vampire,but before?Is she THAT special.SMeyer didn't even explain why either. Good for her that she coincidentally went in the same class as Edward. What are the odds that she'd even go on the same school as a vampire, and one who wouldnt just kill her? Is it even connected to her bacon blood? Both these things are strongly vampire related and have never been encountered by any of these centuries old vampires, but they don't make sense together. The mind shield protects her from magical vamp powers, but not from physical attacks, which her blood makes much more likely. Also, some powers, like those of Alice and Jasper, get right past it. It just adds up to nothing. It's sad that Meyer obviously just never cared to think up an explanation, so it's just there to attract Edward and make her more special yet vulnerable. It could be fun to follow up on clues and make up your own explanations, but she won't give us even that.
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Post by arcanius on Jun 13, 2014 10:27:58 GMT -8
You know.... This means that we can literally make the "Bella's mind cannot be read because she does not have one" cannon. No part of the canon states against that or that there is another reason... I suddenly feel joy...
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Post by bellegold89 on Jun 15, 2014 6:09:53 GMT -8
You know.... This means that we can literally make the "Bella's mind cannot be read because she does not have one" cannon. No part of the canon states against that or that there is another reason... I suddenly feel joy... Oh yes, that's part of my cannon now
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Post by trandafir on Jun 15, 2014 8:06:16 GMT -8
Not sure if this counts as a plot hole,but why is Bella(as human)immune to the vampires powers?I understand,she might have earned this ability once she became a vampire,but before?Is she THAT special.SMeyer didn't even explain why either. Good for her that she coincidentally went in the same class as Edward. What are the odds that she'd even go on the same school as a vampire, and one who wouldnt just kill her? Is it even connected to her bacon blood? Both these things are strongly vampire related and have never been encountered by any of these centuries old vampires, but they don't make sense together. The mind shield protects her from magical vamp powers, but not from physical attacks, which her blood makes much more likely. Also, some powers, like those of Alice and Jasper, get right past it. It just adds up to nothing. It's sad that Meyer obviously just never cared to think up an explanation, so it's just there to attract Edward and make her more special yet vulnerable. It could be fun to follow up on clues and make up your own explanations, but she won't give us even that. Yeah,I spent just 1 minute to think about it(time Meyer wouldn't bother to waste) and I already found a possible explanation.Bella might have been blessed at birth by a fairy godmother being or witch so she would be protected against other creatures like those vampire-wannabes things.If werewolves and vampires exist,why wouldn't witches appear in Meyer's world too? And yes,i know,this explanation sounds stupid.
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Post by arcanius on Jun 16, 2014 12:02:15 GMT -8
^ In fact why not take it to the next level and call Bella a witch?(The fact that she is basicaly a vile hag in a 17 year old girl's body is an entirely different matter mind you)She has some sort of untapped potential that allows her to resist or something? Though that ofcourse would add human magic users into the world, and we don't want those filthy 'regular' people being on equal ground with teh suparspeshul sparkles now would we
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Post by malva on Jun 18, 2014 16:19:11 GMT -8
Some higher power must have it's hands in this. How Renesmee could even exist never got resolved. Maybe this witch conspiracy turns vapid morons into morons who can bedazzle vampires and mate with them. Their children are guaranteed to be a desaster. If you think puberty's bad, think about what they go through at the age of 4. They must resolve growing up this fast without any normal relationship, experiences or any life, while seeing nobody but the Cullens all day long. This alone would drive a grown man into insanity, let alone having them as parents, but let's add vampire bloodthirst to the mix. Instead of peers and likeminded friends, they get this creepy shirtless hillbilly who can't be assed to wait longer than 7 years after your birth to bang you.
Would you feel comfortable living with this 7-year-old broken-beyond-repair wreck who could tear you to shreds in a psychosis? Renesmee is an exception, because she inherited her mother's gene of being bread (BRain-dEAD), so she can only follow people around and shut up. Anyone else would have long chewed the Cullens up and darted off, wearing nothing but Edward's entrails and a bucket. If I was both patient and a witch, this is exactly how I'd arrange for the Cullens to die.
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Post by arcanius on Jun 19, 2014 0:05:37 GMT -8
^ I congratulate you on such a scheme. I lack the patience for this kind of thing unfortunately. If I were a wizard I'd just burn them into ashes... And yeah thats all... I just can't wait that long... Although I'll most likely spare the daemonic child and study it instead. After that I'd present the answers here so we can finally conclude what the hell was this creature exactly.
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Post by Georgaina on Aug 23, 2014 5:47:55 GMT -8
The biggest plot hole that annoyed me was how Renee never found out about Renesmee and somehow it's pretended that she never will have the brain to, either. So Renee is just never going to visit them? What will they say when she does? How nice of them to never tell Renee she has a grandchild even though its a demon spawn. Also, won't Renessmee have resentment towards Bella and Edward when she's older because she won't be able to have any friends at all? She'll be so lonely when Edward and Bella are doing it 24/7 I reckon that after Renesmee turns 7, Jacob won't care anymore and the Cullens will move again, since Renesmee can stay with him anyway. So then the entire "conflict" would be dismissed New Moon Never Mind style. Plus Renee's lack of intelligence is to make Bella seem smarter and in one case even to imply that her new husband should not allow her to think for herself because she had the audacity to go jump out of a plane. I think my biggest plothole annoyance is the reason the series even exist: what the HELL is Bella's motive for moving to Forks?! Is she seriously implying that she wants to give her mom and Phil some privacy, even when Bella's mother repeatedly assures her she doesn't have to go and the simple fact that Bella feels uncomfortable being around her father and absolutely HATES Forks?
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