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Post by Lady Phoenix on Dec 6, 2010 17:38:00 GMT -8
Seriously, Stephenie Meyer is just an immature brat obsessed with high school.
She doesn't realize that people CAN change, especially over, like, 10+ years in time.
The bullies will either be trailer trash/hookers or will actually make amends, while the bullied kids will often get over the bullying nonsense and lead accomplished lives.
I mean, I was bullied in 6th grade and when i look back at it, I'm more mature and more attractive. Imagine looking back after 10+ years after highschool when I have a job and such.
People grow up. Those that refuse to are often left for the dust, including Stephenie MNeyer, who is nothing more but a housewife
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Post by Tim Willard on Dec 7, 2010 4:05:16 GMT -8
You know, Carlisle as a compassionate vampire would be an interesting story if handled correctly:
"In 2007, in the small nation of Litak, anti-government troops released nerve gas on hospitals and weaponized smallpox in other areas, causing the nation to collapse into a poisonous disease ridden wasteland. Outside of government/corporation enclaves, there is no law, no medical care, and no compassion. A man's life is worth less than a can of dog food.
"It's into this environment that Carlisle Cullen, doctor, surgical specialist, innovator, journeys. Without body guards he travels into the land to heal the sick and repair the injured, using his abilities to invoke compassion in others through impassioned speech and compassionate deeds.
"However, Dr. Cullen's weakness, the thirst for human blood, may prove to do his undoing in this war torn nation."
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 7, 2010 7:49:47 GMT -8
^That would be so awesome.
@purple Rose & Pheonix- Tell me about it. I'm sick of stereotypes too. Particularily the "Bitch Blonde" and "Dumb Blonde" varieties. Though, I admit, I am fond of "Evil Blonde", and Bitch Blondes when they're done well. Meyer did not do them well.
Meyer is stuck in her teen years. She needs to grow up.
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Post by Tim Willard on Dec 7, 2010 9:04:26 GMT -8
^That would be so awesome. @purple Rose & Pheonix- Tell me about it. I'm sick of stereotypes too. Particularily the "Bitch Blonde" and "Dumb Blonde" varieties. Though, I admit, I am fond of "Evil Blonde", and Bitch Blondes when they're done well. Meyer did not do them well. Meyer is stuck in her teen years. She needs to grow up.
"Blond guys aren't dumb, Lisa, we're evil!"
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Post by Sassley on Dec 7, 2010 10:11:53 GMT -8
If we sit here counting complications in Meyer's writing, we'll never sleep again. @ Purple Rose- It gets annoying that all "bitchy" characters are blonde. Lauren, Rosalie, Tanya. Leah isn't blonde, but since she's Native, that may be the closest thing to a correct biological thing Meyer has ever written. It gets very annoying when 75% of the bitchy characters are blonde like you. Or when the "evil" vampiress who's out to kill the protagonist is the only redheaded woman in the entire series...I'm a redhead.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Dec 7, 2010 12:05:29 GMT -8
You know, Carlisle as a compassionate vampire would be an interesting story if handled correctly:
"In 2007, in the small nation of Litak, anti-government troops released nerve gas on hospitals and weaponized smallpox in other areas, causing the nation to collapse into a poisonous disease ridden wasteland. Outside of government/corporation enclaves, there is no law, no medical care, and no compassion. A man's life is worth less than a can of dog food.
"It's into this environment that Carlisle Cullen, doctor, surgical specialist, innovator, journeys. Without body guards he travels into the land to heal the sick and repair the injured, using his abilities to invoke compassion in others through impassioned speech and compassionate deeds.
"However, Dr. Cullen's weakness, the thirst for human blood, may prove to do his undoing in this war torn nation." I would totally buy that book!
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 7, 2010 12:42:00 GMT -8
If we sit here counting complications in Meyer's writing, we'll never sleep again. @ Purple Rose- It gets annoying that all "bitchy" characters are blonde. Lauren, Rosalie, Tanya. Leah isn't blonde, but since she's Native, that may be the closest thing to a correct biological thing Meyer has ever written. It gets very annoying when 75% of the bitchy characters are blonde like you. Or when the "evil" vampiress who's out to kill the protagonist is the only redheaded woman in the entire series...I'm a redhead. At least Victoria is a patron saint of Antidom. Rosalie gets as much hate as love, and nobody cares about Lauren or Tanya.
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Post by Lady of Himring on Dec 7, 2010 12:48:52 GMT -8
blenderbender: I'll joing you in the "Evil/Bitch whatever-hair-color" when done right characters, those are awesome.
@phoenix: Agreed, Smeyer needs to grow the fuck up.
Sassley: I'm jealous of your redheadness, so jealous.
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 7, 2010 18:07:02 GMT -8
^Aren't they though?
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Post by reniefuwa on Dec 7, 2010 20:34:39 GMT -8
You know, Carlisle as a compassionate vampire would be an interesting story if handled correctly:
"In 2007, in the small nation of Litak, anti-government troops released nerve gas on hospitals and weaponized smallpox in other areas, causing the nation to collapse into a poisonous disease ridden wasteland. Outside of government/corporation enclaves, there is no law, no medical care, and no compassion. A man's life is worth less than a can of dog food.
"It's into this environment that Carlisle Cullen, doctor, surgical specialist, innovator, journeys. Without body guards he travels into the land to heal the sick and repair the injured, using his abilities to invoke compassion in others through impassioned speech and compassionate deeds.
"However, Dr. Cullen's weakness, the thirst for human blood, may prove to do his undoing in this war torn nation." I would totally buy that book! So would I, as long as it wasn't written by a Suethor.
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 7, 2010 20:52:58 GMT -8
^ Amen. We'd need one of the big gubs for that. You know, Rowling or King?
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Post by Lady of Himring on Dec 10, 2010 18:40:40 GMT -8
Blenderbender: Agreed.
That book would be awesome.
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 11, 2010 7:09:53 GMT -8
It really would. Though, I myself, like the idea of Bree coming back to life to wreak vengence on Carlisle.
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Post by SeaAndSunshine on Dec 11, 2010 15:51:16 GMT -8
If you think about it, it makes sense that Meyer would say that This's guys God Complex and Huge fucking ego is considered Compassion.
Because it's fucking Stephenie Meyer. She probably believes her huge ego is 'compassion' too. ._.
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Post by WolfGod on Jan 7, 2011 1:13:41 GMT -8
EDIT: Also, I wonder what kind of rules there are to buying your own island, surely people would wonder how he earned that amount of money as a doctor. That's been bugging me lately. If he's a general practitioner, he wouldn't actually make that much money. It's the specialists like cardiologists, anesthesiologists, and brain surgeons that make the big money. Okay, show of hands: how many of you think this was another of Meyer's research failures and she just assumed all doctors are rich? You know, Carlisle as a compassionate vampire would be an interesting story if handled correctly:
"In 2007, in the small nation of Litak, anti-government troops released nerve gas on hospitals and weaponized smallpox in other areas, causing the nation to collapse into a poisonous disease ridden wasteland. Outside of government/corporation enclaves, there is no law, no medical care, and no compassion. A man's life is worth less than a can of dog food.
"It's into this environment that Carlisle Cullen, doctor, surgical specialist, innovator, journeys. Without body guards he travels into the land to heal the sick and repair the injured, using his abilities to invoke compassion in others through impassioned speech and compassionate deeds.
"However, Dr. Cullen's weakness, the thirst for human blood, may prove to do his undoing in this war torn nation." I could get behind that.
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Post by reniefuwa on Jan 7, 2011 18:12:47 GMT -8
You know, Carlisle as a compassionate vampire would be an interesting story if handled correctly:
"In 2007, in the small nation of Litak, anti-government troops released nerve gas on hospitals and weaponized smallpox in other areas, causing the nation to collapse into a poisonous disease ridden wasteland. Outside of government/corporation enclaves, there is no law, no medical care, and no compassion. A man's life is worth less than a can of dog food.
"It's into this environment that Carlisle Cullen, doctor, surgical specialist, innovator, journeys. Without body guards he travels into the land to heal the sick and repair the injured, using his abilities to invoke compassion in others through impassioned speech and compassionate deeds.
"However, Dr. Cullen's weakness, the thirst for human blood, may prove to do his undoing in this war torn nation." I could get behind that. Just, y'know, not Meyer. Every encounter with humans would boil down to something like this: "his blood called to me with the fury of a thousand sirens, but he needed my help, so I overcame my intense thirst and helped him." That, just judging from Edward's "mind over matter" and "It was impossible...but I did it" lines.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 7, 2011 19:54:15 GMT -8
May I ask how showing some goddamn empathy once in a while is considered a superpower? Because apparently no one in this series is capable of it.
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Post by reniefuwa on Jan 7, 2011 20:19:44 GMT -8
May I ask how showing some goddamn empathy once in a while is considered a superpower? Because apparently no one in this series is capable of it. "Among the blind, the one-eyed is king"? I guess this is a perfect example of that?
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jan 7, 2011 20:47:28 GMT -8
^More or less, only the one-eyed king is missing his glasses.
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Post by Lady of Himring on Jan 7, 2011 21:18:26 GMT -8
EDIT: Also, I wonder what kind of rules there are to buying your own island, surely people would wonder how he earned that amount of money as a doctor. That's been bugging me lately. If he's a general practitioner, he wouldn't actually make that much money. It's the specialists like cardiologists, anesthesiologists, and brain surgeons that make the big money. Okay, show of hands: how many of you think this was another of Meyer's research failures and she just assumed all doctors are rich? ^Add to that the fact that it was the 20-30's when he bought it. Yes it would have been cheaper back then, but still how the heck did he got the money from?
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Jan 8, 2011 12:47:28 GMT -8
^Add to that the fact that it was the 20-30's when he bought it. Yes it would have been cheaper back then, but still how the heck did he got the money from?
It would have been cheaper, but it also would have been far more unusual back then. Communication wasn't so globalized, and travel was more complicated. These days it's not uncommon for people to own property in other countries (though not to the point of a whole island, even now,) but back then wouldn't it have raised a lot more eyebrows? Also, there was major political unrest in Brazil in the 1920's and 1930's, and the government was changed by force regularly in coup after coup. It wasn't exactly the ideal spot to vacation. There's no way Meyer is aware of that, though, even though she could have found it out on the Wikipedia page.
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Post by Lady of Himring on Jan 8, 2011 13:30:58 GMT -8
^I know, Smeyer never ending fail will never cease to amuse me.
But seriously now, it plays a lot on her view that people are stupid. Don't get me started on her racial profiling on Jasper's story that got me seeing red and wanting to smack a bitch.
She thinks that it was just as simple as jumping on a plane, going to Brazil and walking to a real estate office and paying. Anyhow, she's an idiot. And in this day and age, where information is a the grasp of your hands via internet, her fail and her editors is downright idiotic.
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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 8, 2011 13:48:28 GMT -8
EDIT: Also, I wonder what kind of rules there are to buying your own island, surely people would wonder how he earned that amount of money as a doctor. That's been bugging me lately. If he's a general practitioner, he wouldn't actually make that much money. It's the specialists like cardiologists, anesthesiologists, and brain surgeons that make the big money. My dad is a cardiologist at one of the best hospitals in the US and my mother is also a doctor (radiologist) and there is no way we could afford a private island. No, not even if my parents were childless. Also, Carlisle has been alive for centuries. With that much medical expertise why the hell has he never gone into research where instead of saving one person at a time (still a good thing) he could cure cancer/Alzheimer's/AIDS/diabetes or figure out a way to do minimally invasive brain surgery to remove tumors that formerly had been inoperable do to their size or location? If I had to hazard a guess using Smeyer's logic I'd say it was because doing so would gain him too much recognition. To which I say: fuck you, Meyer. Millions of lives could be saved if he had the balls or "compassion" to actually risk his own comfort.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Jan 8, 2011 14:59:01 GMT -8
He's kinda like those super omnipotent characters in sci-fi and action comics . . . that includes the annoying flaw of them.
They have all the power to save countless lives, and they waste on simply monitoring people and judging them as inferior.
No wonder why Linkara prefer Superheroes over just "The Monitors", they friggin DO stuff
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Post by limelightqueen on Jan 8, 2011 19:17:42 GMT -8
If we sit here counting complications in Meyer's writing, we'll never sleep again. @ Purple Rose- It gets annoying that all "bitchy" characters are blonde. Lauren, Rosalie, Tanya. Leah isn't blonde, but since she's Native, that may be the closest thing to a correct biological thing Meyer has ever written. It gets very annoying when 75% of the bitchy characters are blonde like you. Or when the "evil" vampiress who's out to kill the protagonist is the only redheaded woman in the entire series...I'm a redhead. In Bree Tanner's book she describes Edward as a redhead. Which proves how bad of a writer Meyer is if after all her descriptions of Edward no one realized he was a redhead.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Jan 8, 2011 19:28:26 GMT -8
Yeah. You'd think with bronze, he'd be maybe a brunette
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Post by reniefuwa on Jan 8, 2011 21:28:40 GMT -8
Or, more accurately, auburn.
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Post by Tim Willard on Jan 8, 2011 22:04:28 GMT -8
I liked envisioning him as bald, and his head being all malformed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 0:51:23 GMT -8
I liked envisioning him as bald, and his head being all malformed. Like count Orlok? So dazzling.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Jan 9, 2011 9:15:18 GMT -8
I went back and read a few Carlisle scenes to see if maybe I was just overreacting. But instead... every time I read about him, it makes me feel more barf-y.
As was mentioned earlier in the thread, it was really horrifying to me that he and the other Cullens stepped aside and let Bree die after they had offered her sanctuary. That was so sickening I could hardly believe the author tried to pass it off as the actions of a "good" character.
Upon rereading, though, I realized that what leads up to that bothers me almost as much. Carlisle, Esme, and Jasper have a serious discussion about whether they should just murder Bree in cold blood after she surrendered. Um... what? I mean I understand it from Jasper because of his background, but Carlisle doesn't shut down the topic and actually seems to consider it. With this poor kid standing right there, terrified, not fighting-- they discuss whether to kill her. What?
The gist of why they consider it seems to be that she might just be too much trouble. Apparently she's not worth the same effort as Edward and Rosalie and Emmett. If she can't immediately control herself without any help, and with what has been established as the worst possible temptation placed right in front of her, she'll be put down like a rabid animal. Nice.
The control wouldn't even be an issue if they just supervised her and kept her away from Bella for a few months. But apparently the hassle of that outweighs Bree's very life. Better for a kid to die than for the Cullens to be inconvenienced, right? *sarcasm*
No way is Carlisle compassionate. No way. I wish the narrative had been willing to acknowledge how amoral he is, rather than painting him as a saint.
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