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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 0:05:31 GMT -8
Maybe it wasn't well known back then, they probably never thought Peter or Sirius would tell on them anyway.
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Post by Lovely Kiss on Dec 27, 2010 0:58:55 GMT -8
Maybe it wasn't well known back then, they probably never thought Peter or Sirius would tell on them anyway. So Dumbledore wouldn't have known you can be your own secret keeper? He told them about it I thought.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 27, 2010 8:02:42 GMT -8
^That's a good one. I think it might be James' thing where he can't stand the idea of not trusting his friends. I think that's pretty bad, but it's the best I've got.
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Post by Corporal Flashback on Dec 27, 2010 8:13:20 GMT -8
The Fidelius Charm is just a massive plot hole in general.
I can't remember if this was ever mentioned, and I don't have the books on me, so does anyone know what happened to Fudge after he was sacked? I'm drawing a blank here.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Dec 27, 2010 8:51:16 GMT -8
So wait, was he living there between him leaving Hogwarts and going to Azkaban? I was never sure about that. I see what you mean. That's a good question. That letter was written BEFORE he went to Azkaban. So where was it before then? We all know he hated his entire family, so why would he go there during the time when he was revolting against everything his family believed in? They were on completely different sides. It doesn't make sense that he would be there. So where was this letter hidden in the thirteen years that he was in prison?
I would assume that most of his stuff was kept in his vault. We know he had access to his vault because he bought harry the broom in the 3rd book. Now, how he had access seems to be the bigger mystery.
(I'm also assuming that he was living in places where he only kept the clothes on his back and what he needed day-to-day, because it was a war and he was an active Order member, so all other possessions were kept somewhere that death eaters wouldn't have easy access, his vault perhaps.)
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Dec 27, 2010 8:58:05 GMT -8
This DOES however, bring up another point - when did Snape go back to the house? There were curses designed specifically to keep him from entering. If he could enter, then how are Harry, Ron, and Hermione safe while there? It is actually mentioned in the book that Dumbledore was Secret-Keeper of 12 Grimmauld Place. He told several people (all members of the Order, including Snape) where the headquarters were, therefore they were entrusted with the secret. Once Dumbledore dies, those people could go to ANYONE and tell them about it. But since Snape was the one who (to their minds) betrayed everyone and killed Dumbledore, it was HIM they had to protect the headquarters against.
If he was able to get past the curses, and it looks as if he was, then 12 Grimmauld Place is NOT a safe place for HRH to be, because Snape could have told Death Eaters/Voldemort where the headquarters was, and they could be watching the house, and they would be able to enter. Yet they stay there for several days, maybe even weeks, while they move in and out to spy on the Ministry.
Unless of course Snape never told anyone that he was going to try and get into 12 Grimmauld Place. If that's the case, there's a good chance he never had to tell anyone he was ever going in...since he was on Harry's side the entire time.
He does go back, and the curses set against him -do- work.
This is how he Protects Harry, by telling [glow=red,2,300]Voldermort[/glow] when he returned, that the tongue curse kept him from revealing the secret.
As far as the Dumbledore Curse, it seems to be dispelled by the person truthfully stating that they did not Murder Dumbledore, since Snape didn't Murder him, but believed truthfully that he was Helping Dumbledore, one could assume that the curse wouldn't be effective against him, and Moody, who set the curses in place wouldn't have realized this at all.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Dec 27, 2010 9:03:19 GMT -8
You don't have to be prefect to be Head Boy/Girl. Apparently he started cleaning up his act after 5th year.
Are you sure? Because when Ron becomes Prefect, Molly says "You could be on your way to becoming Head Boy, Ron, it's the first step!" or something to that effect. Also, even if Snape's memory is biased, there are innumerable official records of James and Sirius (sometimes with the help of Remus and Peter) breaking rules-Harry comes across a lot of them when he's rewriting old records for detention in book 6. Even if he did clean up his act, I don't think James could become Head Boy with a track record like that. Head Boy and Girl positions are for people like Percy, who are constantly sucking up. I think Remus would have been a better candidate than James, and none of the Marauders would really have been that great a choice.
We know that Lilly turned James around in the end, and that out of his love for her, he began courting her, and gave up his adolescent pranks. (we know this because she calls him a toerag, and yet somewhere between year 5 and year 7 she falls in love with him, 2 years is a long time to change, especially for a teenager.) I don't know for sure, but if Dumbledore was headmaster, it would be just the sort of thing he would do to reward this change in behavior by giving the person even more responsibility to behave, EX: making them headboy.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Dec 27, 2010 9:13:31 GMT -8
It always makes me wonder, reading that final Pensieve scene, when it is revealed how enraged Snape is that Harry is meant to die. Despite making his life hell at Hogwarts for six years, how much did he truly hate Harry? He had sworn to protect him in honor of Lily. The whole thing breaks my heart and I am NOT looking forward to watching Alan Rickman get his neck gouged by a giant nasty snake.)
He wasn't mad that Harry was going to die, he was mad because he gave up his life, even believed that one day he would be discovered and would die, to protect harry's life, and in the end it was a lie, and Dumbledore had planned to kill him from the start. Everything he knew and believed, was a lie at that moment, you would be angry too. Plus, Snape never really consciously accepted how alike Harry was to Lilly, all he ever saw was how much of James was in Harry, and how Harry wasn't his son. Sometimes, I think, only when he was feeling really delusional, he convinced himself that Harry should have been his son, His and Lilly's, and that's why he hated to see how alike he was to James, and why he constantly spent his every waking moment try to squash that out of Harry.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 27, 2010 21:37:25 GMT -8
Are you sure? Because when Ron becomes Prefect, Molly says "You could be on your way to becoming Head Boy, Ron, it's the first step!" or something to that effect. Also, even if Snape's memory is biased, there are innumerable official records of James and Sirius (sometimes with the help of Remus and Peter) breaking rules-Harry comes across a lot of them when he's rewriting old records for detention in book 6. Even if he did clean up his act, I don't think James could become Head Boy with a track record like that. Head Boy and Girl positions are for people like Percy, who are constantly sucking up. I think Remus would have been a better candidate than James, and none of the Marauders would really have been that great a choice.
We know that Lilly turned James around in the end, and that out of his love for her, he began courting her, and gave up his adolescent pranks. (we know this because she calls him a toerag, and yet somewhere between year 5 and year 7 she falls in love with him, 2 years is a long time to change, especially for a teenager.) I don't know for sure, but if Dumbledore was headmaster, it would be just the sort of thing he would do to reward this change in behavior by giving the person even more responsibility to behave, EX: making them headboy.
Yes, but there's no proof that he changes his act before his seventh year (which is when he started dating Lily), by which point it would bee too late to declare him Head Boy anyway.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Dec 28, 2010 5:03:20 GMT -8
The proof is in the fact that Harry is alive. Lilly's disdain, whether influenced by Snape memory or not, was clear, she acted to save Snape, working against James. She wouldn't have gone back to that same boy and dated him if he were still behaving like that, let alone marry and have kids with him. It wasn't in her nature, it was the exact reason she didn't end up with Snape, because he choose to be around evil people knowingly.
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Post by aealo on Jan 12, 2011 17:16:00 GMT -8
D'oh, I just thought of this plothole:
How did Fred and George not notice a man named Peter Pettigrew sleeping in his brother's bed?
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Jan 13, 2011 9:05:42 GMT -8
D'oh, I just thought of this plothole: How did Fred and George not notice a man named Peter Pettigrew sleeping in his brother's bed?
Well, the castle is insanely large, and moves around, and I very much doubt they would be specifically checking up on Ron, and who was in his bed. I mean most of the time that Harry was looking for Draco he just assumed that he was lost among all the names of students there, and that was when he was specifically looking for one person. George and Fred would just assume that 'Peter' was just a new kid they hadn't met yet, even if they did see him on the map.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 14, 2011 19:06:34 GMT -8
Dang it, I had one, but I forgot it.
As for the Map, Heartless Hippie's explanation sounds pretty good.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Jan 15, 2011 10:49:44 GMT -8
Even if they saw him in the boys dormitory, that wouldn't exactly be strange considering how Hermione was always up there with the boys, it wouldn't be unusual for them to have a friend up there, even late at night considering how they all like to sneak about the castle.
It's also quite possible (though never mentioned) that there was a boy named peter in another year that Fred and George assumed was always hanging around Ron. They did make it known that they often tried to dissociate themselves from their younger brother socially at school, and never claimed him as family (at least when he first started).
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Post by slightlysane on Jan 31, 2011 15:40:54 GMT -8
I can't remember if this was ever mentioned, and I don't have the books on me, so does anyone know what happened to Fudge after he was sacked? I'm drawing a blank here. Didn't he die?
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Post by Anya the Purple on Jan 31, 2011 20:13:43 GMT -8
No, I don't think he died. He probably just found another job or something. It was Scrimgeour who died.
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Feb 20, 2011 15:29:53 GMT -8
^ Malfoy wasn't a prefect, he was in the Inquisitorial Squad. Um, Malfoy was a prefect; in fifth year he and Pansy Parkinson were made prefects.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Feb 20, 2011 17:23:34 GMT -8
^ Malfoy wasn't a prefect, he was in the Inquisitorial Squad. Um, Malfoy was a prefect; in fifth year he and Pansy Parkinson were made prefects.
He was Both.
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Feb 21, 2011 5:00:37 GMT -8
I know. But he was made a prefect first, as the Inquisitorial Squad wasn't formed til Umbridge had become Headmistress and forced thru another Educational Degree. ^^
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 9, 2011 20:54:34 GMT -8
I counted back and figured out that the story starts on November 1, 1980. JKR says it starts on a "dull gray Tuesday," but November 1, 1980 is a Sunday.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 10, 2011 3:10:47 GMT -8
I counted back and figured out that the story starts on November 1, 1980. JKR says it starts on a "dull gray Tuesday," but November 1, 1980 is a Sunday.
You're off by a Year, the Potters died in 1981.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 10, 2011 20:12:05 GMT -8
^Sorry; that's what I meant. Anyway, it wasn't on a Tuesday.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 10, 2011 22:50:25 GMT -8
Does the first chapter say that the tuesday is the day that they died? As far as I read it was just simply the day that they got Harry.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 11, 2011 18:42:04 GMT -8
^I'm assuming they got Harry the day after they died.
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 12, 2011 2:09:48 GMT -8
^I'm assuming they got Harry the day after they died.
Hm, well, They died Halloween Night(Saturday), but Harry wasn't found till the Next day, if I'm not mistaken, Dumbledore Sends Hagrid, and Sirius shows up there and tries to take Harry(The Sunday you're referring too). Then say it takes Dumbledore a day (Monday) to run around trying to find out a safe place for him to stay, and to find out how they were betrayed, at this point I would say Sirius is tracking/Fighting Peter, so not a lot of people know what's going on yet, still a lot of confusion. With Peter 'Dead' and Sirius framed(Middle of Monday), I assume Dumbledore changes track and sends Minvera to watch/protect the Dudley's, she gets a bit lost though (hence the Map) so sometime during Monday Night/Tuesday Morning she arrives, and we've officially started the Books, on a Miserable Tuesday Morning.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 12, 2011 6:52:24 GMT -8
Aaaah, that makes sense.
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Mar 13, 2011 12:18:45 GMT -8
But for me, it was Tuesday. *hides*
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Post by Heartless Hìppíe on Mar 15, 2011 3:31:03 GMT -8
But for me, it was Tuesday. *hides*
That's what we're saying...
I've reread the first chapter, and I'm probably gonna reread the rest of the series and look, but so far I don't see any mention of how many days passed between Halloween and Harry going to stay with his Aunt and Uncle.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 17, 2011 18:04:45 GMT -8
^Though the wizard celebrations did imply that it was new news, and I can't imagine the news of Voldemort's (not!)death would take three days to travel around Britain...
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Post by slightlysane on Mar 18, 2011 12:05:54 GMT -8
^ Unless they were still celebrating three days later.
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