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Post by Is A Bell A Swan? on Dec 22, 2010 7:33:02 GMT -8
*tries to think how to phrase this so it makes sense*
In Breaking Dawn when Bella becomes a vampire she's able to do maths really really fast, even though she says she wasn't that great at maths as a human (which contradicts everything we've heard about her excelling at all her classes before).
And Nessie doesn't seem to learn anything, she just knows everything.
I know Meyerpires are super-duper smart (and awesome and special and blahblah) but I thought this come from years, decades, centuries of learning and honing their skills etc.
But it seems becoming a Meyerpire automatically makes you smart? How does that work?
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Post by Elentari on Dec 22, 2010 7:46:22 GMT -8
^ I'd like to know that too. What I find funny is that these characters are supposed to be so intelligent and shit yet their explanations to "problems" are stupid as hell, like just running away in Twilight when a formidable coven of THREE appear, and they could just have taken them down right there. Or what about New Moon? Just make a call to the Volturi and explain the situation - Aro is a friend of Carlisle's so I'm sure he would be happy to help him out and just restrain Wardo when he tries to have his grand exposure. Or what about the last book? Just call Aro and inform him of the situation. All solved easily with couple of phonecalls. Of course, that would require Meyer to write decent conflicts and we can't have that.
Another thing that bugs me that even though meyerpires are supposed to be so smart and shit, but then again they can't change. That would imply that they get easily stuck in their patterns of thinking and shouldn't be able to come up with new ways to solve their problems. How is that being intelligent?
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Post by reniefuwa on Dec 22, 2010 8:04:19 GMT -8
That's just one more way Meyerpires are Better Than You. They're perfect, remember?  |
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Post by thewizardofoz on Dec 22, 2010 10:17:13 GMT -8
That's just one more way Meyerpires are Better Than You. They're perfect, remember? Right, exactly. The irony of this situation can be explained, of course. Hold up. Just because she's able to do it fastly, that automatically means that makes it good? The hell kind of logic does that make any sense? So it seems that Meyer really fucked herself up on this one, it seems. Understandable. Nothing about her really adds up, and she certainly doesn't want to add anything up in her mind. =D Which, again, is an arrogant and presumptuous thing for Meyer to say and Bella to insinuate. Honestly, I think she did poorly in her classes, but lied earlier about doing well to save face. Again, she is working backwards on this one. Once you know something, then you learn it, not the other way 'round. If you learn something, and then you know it, then that just doesn't make any sense a 'tall. But of course. Meyer wants her super species to be super-perfect, since in her mind, that's all she has. Blech. Disgusting, I say. And if I might add, they were never proud about any of this until it became something to brag about to anyone who might listen (namely, Bella). Still, you make a good point. How the hell were they able to do any of this? Do they have philosophical and theological doctrines to help them? Did their minds snap? Have they ever collapsed in nervous breakdowns? Furthermore, why would they ever need to know or learn any of this? Were they that bored? Apparently so. Simple. Your neurotendrons stop growing, causing your brain to swell and eventually stagnate. After that, you convince yourself that you are the smartest person to ever grace the planet, when in reality, you are in fact one of the dumbest. |
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Post by reniefuwa on Dec 22, 2010 15:32:09 GMT -8
In Breaking Dawn when Bella becomes a vampire she's able to do maths really really fast, even though she says she wasn't that great at maths as a human (which contradicts everything we've heard about her excelling at all her classes before). Yeah, because people who aren't good at math take calculus in high school. (New Moon, anyone?) I think the consistency fails bothered me the most in this series. I don't think ANYTHING stayed the same from book to book (changing radically within the same book, sometimes), with the possible exception of Edward's and Bella's personalities. Ironically, they were what I wished the most would have changed. |
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Post by Demeter on Dec 22, 2010 18:22:14 GMT -8
In Breaking Dawn when Bella becomes a vampire she's able to do maths really really fast, even though she says she wasn't that great at maths as a human (which contradicts everything we've heard about her excelling at all her classes before). Yeah, because people who aren't good at math take calculus in high school. (New Moon, anyone?) I think the consistency fails bothered me the most in this series. I don't think ANYTHING stayed the same from book to book (changing radically within the same book, sometimes), with the possible exception of Edward's and Bella's personalities. Ironically, they were what I wished the most would have changed. Well, it all depends on what Bella's definition of "good at math" is. She could just have a problem with memorizing the formulas, so she wouldn't do so great on tests, or she could just not understand the concepts and then there would be an inconsistency. If Bella just couldn't memorize all of the formulas/whatnot, then... well, then she definitely wouldn't remember them as a vampire (unless she looked them over once she got vamped) because you can't remember important human memories, much less math formulas that you won't ever use again. /fail |
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Post by marienomad on Mar 13, 2014 6:05:34 GMT -8
How can vampires instantly knew stuff? I guess that I can understand if they have perfect memories and hence could absorb any information that they see like on television.
But what if that what they learn contradicts what they already knew? Science constantly changes. Like for instance, Pluto is not considered to be a planet any more but my Dad insists that it's a planet. A detail like that can cause a headache for a normal human.
Imagine this multiplied hundreds of times over the centuries.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Mar 27, 2014 6:46:54 GMT -8
In the case of Bella and math, I don't think it's so much that she was ever poor at math, but her normal "woe is me" act as a human. Everything sucks for her as a human, and she was constantly comparing herself as a vampire to her former human self--and since that was all Bella ever wanted and Meyer's own "anti-human" BS, it's just beating the dead horse on how much more awesome vampires are in comparison and how much more awesome Bella is now that she is one of them. In my opinion, it's one of the few cases of Bella being realistic. She was always selfish and egotistical with the idea that she was better than everybody else, but now she can FLAUNT it instead of hiding behind a mask of false modesty. As much as she had been droning on about how awesome and special the Cullens were--and especially as much as she had been ignoring and dismissing regular humans (ALL humans, family included) as unworthy of notice compared to them, it's really no surprise that she would glorify herself now that she is one of them.
In addition, I can't say much about the confusing and apparently instant osmosis of knowledge when becoming a vamp, but if math was the only subject noted, it seems more a matter of focus than anything. Bella was in calculus. She KNEW math, sure. But there's a difference between working out a complex equation on paper as opposed to working it out in one's head. That is dependent on focus, which is something I think the vampires DO get. Lets be honest, as humans, we're distracted easily. We'd have to sit down and force ourselves to mentally calculate 3852 x 137, and even then it would be slow-going. I'll grant the vamps that much in that they may not be as distracted and could focus easier, but that's it. The rest of it? The "instant knowledge" is BS. Not just because it's yet another attempt at Meyer to state how much humans suck and how much better and prettier and all around superior her vamps are, but because there is no explanation and above all NO REASON for it other than to fuel Meyer's ego.
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Post by Lady of Himring on Apr 29, 2014 20:02:38 GMT -8
On the Nessie front, I think it's due her being a special snowflake. The kid reads and sends thoughts to people by touch, so that's probably how she learned what she knows.
And on Bella and Math, Bella never put much effort to anything other than Edward. She comments how many of the other girls do better than her. Of course, this is unsurprising, IMO, because she spends much of her energy and thoughts to Edward. There's not much space for anything else.
Also, the rest of the Cullens have been on repeat for quite a long time, which gives them an advantage over the kids who are doing everything for the first time.
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