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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 15:57:28 GMT -8
The other day I told my friend about Rennesme’s power and she asked if it was something Devilspawn could do whenever she wanted to. I said yes, but then I remembered how people can watch her dreams while she sleeps and I started wondering if her powers is something she can turn of if she chooses to or if it’s like Wardo’s and completely uncontrollable. I can’t remember if the book said anything about it.
It’s one thing that she can make people hear her thoughts and make them believe her, something that’s potentially very creepy, but if she can never turn it of the poor girl will have no privacy for the rest of eternity unless she decides to abstain form physical contact.
It’s like Sookie Stackhouse’s situation only the other way around. In stead of knowing every thought your date has you’ll know he/she will hear and see everything you’re thinking whenever you’re touching each other.
I think Devilspawn is creepy, but that is situation I wouldn't wish upon my greatest enemy.
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Post by Chibithulhu on May 14, 2011 16:32:32 GMT -8
Well, considering in SMeyer's mind it's apparently OMGzorz SO ROMANTIC, I get the feeling it's probably not the answer we want to hear. Creepy point, though. Especially considering, once again, it'd be JACOB.
... Is it too much to hope that that'll turn him off and he doesn't rape her the moment she turns seven?
Maybe she has conscious control of it while she's awake, and no control when she sleeps, though? She seems to have at least some control over what's transmitted.
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Post by limelightqueen on May 14, 2011 21:07:22 GMT -8
I don't understand how Renesmee is supposed to be cute. Just listen to this no frills description of her:
Born with full set of teeth, enjoys drinking human blood, grows at an extremely accelerated rate, was fully cognizant from the womb, can project any image she wants into your mind, is constantly referred to as "adorable."
Not cute, so not cute. Scary. Like the love child of Chucky and Samara scary.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on May 14, 2011 22:10:32 GMT -8
Wait--if she can project images into people's minds, whether at will or unconsciously...I know I'm going to hate myself and you all will likely hate me for making this comparison, but wouldn't that end up with a situation a lot like that of Ace from the Justice League cartoon?
You know, the one who made her parents go INSANE because of all the things she projected into their minds?
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Post by reniefuwa on May 14, 2011 22:19:44 GMT -8
Wait--if she can project images into people's minds, whether at will or unconsciously...I know I'm going to hate myself and you all will likely hate me for making this comparison, but wouldn't that end up with a situation a lot like that of Ace from the Justice League cartoon? You know, the one who made her parents go INSANE because of all the things she projected into their minds? Was it through touch though? I thought Renespawn's ability was dependent on touch? Kinda like Marcus' only in reverse? |
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Post by Anya the Purple on May 14, 2011 22:22:41 GMT -8
^It was.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 3:33:13 GMT -8
I don't understand how Renesmee is supposed to be cute. Just listen to this no frills description of her: Born with full set of teeth, enjoys drinking human blood, grows at an extremely accelerated rate, was fully cognizant from the womb, can project any image she wants into your mind, is constantly referred to as "adorable." Not cute, so not cute. Scary. Like the love child of Chucky and Samara scary. “Enjoys drinking human blood” and is “reffered to as adorable.” Haha! That’s hilarious.  She reminds me of one of Stephen King’s characters who’s the child of a succubus/incubus like demon. Just like Renesmee he’s beautiful, grows fast, eats human flesh and is smart as a baby. Only he’s written better, because even if he’s creepy as hell there’s still a moment where you feel pity for him. Renesmee is not adorable. |
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Post by Alkonost Storm on May 15, 2011 9:11:50 GMT -8
^It's too much to hope for that Reneesme grows up into the Dhampir equivalent of Morinth the Ardat-Yakshi from ME2 isn't it?
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Post by limelightqueen on May 15, 2011 13:33:23 GMT -8
Wait--if she can project images into people's minds, whether at will or unconsciously...I know I'm going to hate myself and you all will likely hate me for making this comparison, but wouldn't that end up with a situation a lot like that of Ace from the Justice League cartoon? You know, the one who made her parents go INSANE because of all the things she projected into their minds? But her parents are already insame.  |
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Post by Chibithulhu on May 16, 2011 6:49:22 GMT -8
Seriously. There is no universe where this child does not grow up to kill someone... or manipulate someone else into killing them for her. Either she's a spoiled sociopath, or she snaps from everyone knowing her thoughts and the fact that she's expected to marry Jacob at age seven.
How is this a happy ending, again?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 11:19:30 GMT -8
Speaking of Renesmee. The Illutrated Guide said hybrids are born with the mental capacity of a grown up.
My problems with this:
#1. Nessie practically never had any real childhood. She was literally born a grown up and Meyer thinks that’s wonderful. This is just sad.L
#2: Hybrids are suppose to learn language in a matter of weeks, but the brain of a grown up doesn’t work like that. Babies and toddlers are superior when it comes to learning new languages because they have not yet developed the ability to filter out everything that isn’t their native tongue. I suppose I could let this slide because she is half meyerpire after all, but meyerpires are suppose to be based on science so it still fails.
#3: Mervin pointed this out in one of her rants. This means that Renesmee understands what imprinting means to a certain degree and she knows that Jacob is meant to be her mate when she grows up and she wants it already as an infant. This is just beyond creepy…
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Post by WolfGod on Jun 14, 2011 11:37:16 GMT -8
Another reason it doesn't work is because the brain needs time to develop. Our personalities are shaped partly out of our nature and evolution, but also out of our experiences and surroundings. I don't care how vastly developed your brain is, at 7 years old God Mode is still going to be as mature as a 7-year-old.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The truth is that this abominable little plot contrivance really is Meyer's vision of the perfect child: one you don't have to raise or care for.
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Post by Is A Bell A Swan? on Jun 14, 2011 13:48:32 GMT -8
Her powers are like the opposite of her parents'!
Nobody can hear Bella's thoughts - everyone can hear Renesemee's.
Edward can hear everyone's but nobody can hear his - everyone knows what she's thinking, but she doesn't know what they're thinking (right?)
Also, I never understood how she can be born knowing everything. You learn through experience and she hasn't experienced anything yet! Even if she absorbed some of her parents' knowledge or something, surely Edward and Bella don't know everything in the world ever? She might learnt FAST but you can't learn stuff if you're not TAUGHT. (Like how Bella knew everything when she become a vampire, how does that work? Vampires might learn FASTER but HOW if they aren't taught?) (Does this make sense?)
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Post by Catalpa on Jun 14, 2011 18:05:44 GMT -8
Seriously. There is no universe where this child does not grow up to kill someone... or manipulate someone else into killing them for her. Either she's a spoiled sociopath, or she snaps from everyone knowing her thoughts and the fact that she's expected to marry Jacob at age seven.
How is this a happy ending, again? I can definitely see a future where the hellspawn can touch someone and implant a thought in their heads inception-style (well, not through dreams, but so that they think it's their own thought). I'd say the chance of her manipulating people to kill/commit crimes for her is pretty damn high. |
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Jun 15, 2011 13:00:02 GMT -8
Her powers are like the opposite of her parents'! Nobody can hear Bella's thoughts - everyone can hear Renesemee's. Edward can hear everyone's but nobody can hear his - everyone knows what she's thinking, but she doesn't know what they're thinking (right?) Also, I never understood how she can be born knowing everything. You learn through experience and she hasn't experienced anything yet! Even if she absorbed some of her parents' knowledge or something, surely Edward and Bella don't know everything in the world ever? She might learnt FAST but you can't learn stuff if you're not TAUGHT. (Like how Bella knew everything when she become a vampire, how does that work? Vampires might learn FASTER but HOW if they aren't taught?) (Does this make sense?) Yes, it does. And this was one of my biggest annoyances with Meyer's take on the hellspawn. ALL children need time to develop and grow both physically AND mentally. She can't just suddenly "know" things through osmosis. Her brain still has a physical form and needs time to develop along with the body. Otherwise, she'd have an extremely large head and an inability to learn. The only way I can imagine her being this capable as a newborn is if she's actually a demonic hellspawn born into human/meyerpire flesh. Thus all her previous knowledge from being a demon would have come with her. And honestly, it'd make more sense than anything Meyer's written. |
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Post by Chibithulhu on Jun 15, 2011 17:40:49 GMT -8
^ Well, yes, wasn't that implied by her very existence?
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Post by Pripyat Rarity on Jun 19, 2011 5:16:45 GMT -8
I had a dream once about Claudia, the woman child from the Anne Rice vampire books, met Nessie and killed her. Seeing as Claudia is technically a child, but has the mind of a full grown woman; I think that she is a far better example of what Smeyer is trying to portray... but of course, fails epically.
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Post by Mikashi on Jun 29, 2011 17:28:05 GMT -8
Ah, hellspawn. So creepy.
I was honestly kind of reminded of her when I was watching a certain anime: Nanaka 6/17, where the main character, Nanaka, has an accident, and her mind regresses back to when she was six years old.
So a six year old trapped in a seventeen year old body? Sound familiar?
Though, that anime was actually cute [and a tad annoying (repetitive plot points/twists)], and y'know, not creepy.
The one thing that I am curious about is if Renesmee will go to school, like her stupid family did; how will she explain all of her..."growth spurts" to people, you know, non-thought projection wise [Oh god]?
Or will they actually get a clue and "homeschool" her?
Of course, if knowledge did spread about her being a "vampire", knowing humans, they'd probably wage war. Oh, how I would love to see all those sparklepires die, unfortunately, with Smeyer on the writing wheel, I doubt that'd ever happen :/.
/continues rambling.
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Post by marienomad on Feb 16, 2014 17:21:47 GMT -8
My head canon is that Jacob never imprinted on Renesmee. Renesmee sensed that Jacob and the other wolves wanted to kill her and so she trapped Jacob and it was disguised as an imprint since sudden devotion to one woman is 'normal' for shapeshifters.
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Post by annoyed on Feb 17, 2014 3:05:52 GMT -8
Her powers are like the opposite of her parents'! Nobody can hear Bella's thoughts - everyone can hear Renesemee's. Edward can hear everyone's but nobody can hear his - everyone knows what she's thinking, but she doesn't know what they're thinking (right?) Also, I never understood how she can be born knowing everything. You learn through experience and she hasn't experienced anything yet! Even if she absorbed some of her parents' knowledge or something, surely Edward and Bella don't know everything in the world ever? She might learnt FAST but you can't learn stuff if you're not TAUGHT. (Like how Bella knew everything when she become a vampire, how does that work? Vampires might learn FASTER but HOW if they aren't taught?) (Does this make sense?) Yes, it does. And this was one of my biggest annoyances with Meyer's take on the hellspawn. ALL children need time to develop and grow both physically AND mentally. She can't just suddenly "know" things through osmosis. Her brain still has a physical form and needs time to develop along with the body. Otherwise, she'd have an extremely large head and an inability to learn. The only way I can imagine her being this capable as a newborn is if she's actually a demonic hellspawn born into human/meyerpire flesh. Thus all her previous knowledge from being a demon would have come with her. And honestly, it'd make more sense than anything Meyer's written. I think pretty much the only way in fiction for it to make sense for a being to being so intelligent and mature already upon being born/created is if it were some type of AI that could be programmed with all of that knowledge/have a fully developed mind from the get-go because it was designed that way. It doesn't exactly work that way for living (or half-undead, whatever) beings. |
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Post by arcanius on Feb 17, 2014 7:24:26 GMT -8
^ Or maybe - because she has the power to make them think whatever she wants, and speculatively does it unconsciously: She's just a dumb kid, that made them all THINK they saw all that "mature and intelligent from birth" stuff. I mean why not, the kid just notes what they liked to see, and because kids copy everything in attempts to learn - she tried to copy what they wanted and unconsciously projected it into them. That why they think she's cute and adorable, while she's creepy and evil. And since the book isn't in third person, this is fully possible
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Post by annabellamy on Feb 17, 2014 13:59:36 GMT -8
So... she's the anti-Christ?
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Post by arcanius on Feb 18, 2014 6:32:16 GMT -8
^ There is that theory too. I personaly think she will end up as a an insane witch/psychic/hellspawn/whatever because of the "splendid" care they give to her.
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