Captain Victoria
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Post by Captain Victoria on Feb 11, 2012 6:46:42 GMT -8
I picked up "Vampire: The Masquerade" for the PC again (that game is a pain in the ass to get working for Windows 7, btw), and something hit me: Why aren't the vampires in this universe organised? Why don't they have a code they need to follow? Sure, they have the Volturi, but I question the effectiveness of a group of vamps ruling over every other vampire in the world from Italy. If the Volturi don't want their secret to be out, you'd think they'd take greater pains to keep the vampires under control. For instance, the killings in Seattle: They were clearly the work of vampires, and I'd imagine the Volturi would have a system of informants if they really wanted to stay in Italy, but we don't see or hear about the Volturi intervening. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one as my memory is a bit fuzzy on that one. And this is where I see more lost potential in Twilight: The Volturi could be this horrible, oppressive force in the vampire world and Edward and Bella could've worked to overthrow them. Whether or not they die in the end would be up to the writer.
Carlisle's Crew don't want to upset Carlisle. They have no respect for human life, clearly, but they want to remain good in their father figure's (or husband's) eyes. So why don't the vampires have a code? Not everyone has a Carlisle to keep happy. Granted, some vampires would break this code (and some have), but that's why you enact swift justice upon them. After all, your entire race is at stake of being discovered.
So, denizens of TS, I'd like to know your thoughts on this, whether it's talking about lost potential or why the code may be absent in the canon of the books. We all know the real reason: SMeyer sucks at research.
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Post by blackrose97 on Feb 11, 2012 10:49:42 GMT -8
Yes, yes she does. I suspect that she just never that of a code. She never reasearched other vampire stories for ideas and thought that the do nothing Volutori would be enough. Or having a universal code for all vampires to follow would intervene with her concept that the Cullens are the best vampires. They have morals because they don't eat people while the bad vampires are evil people eating monsters( unless they are good guys). Having a strict dotrine for her vampires would mean that everyone would esstionally be "good" and her wittle uncreative mind can't handle things that aren't in black and white.
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Post by makoeyes on Feb 11, 2012 20:20:40 GMT -8
If SMeyer were asked this should would probably hand wave it away saying that the Meyervamps don't need a code because they could wipe use out if they wanted. *vomits*
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Post by watersheerie on Feb 11, 2012 21:12:24 GMT -8
Wait...Twilight has vampires in it?
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Post by Captain Victoria on Feb 12, 2012 8:30:16 GMT -8
Wait...Twilight has vampires in it? A unique sub-species of vampire found only in this series and its fanfictions. They're known as 'sparklepires' or 'Meyerpires' and differ greatly from conventional vampires.
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Post by thelostboys21 on Nov 9, 2012 16:20:12 GMT -8
i remember when vampires were scary
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Post by candypants on Nov 11, 2012 0:52:41 GMT -8
I have the answer. In WoD I want to say almost every supernatural group has a rule about getting noticed by regular people and usually the charge is death if they screw up bad enough.
Unlike the meyerpires, the vampires in WoD know that if enough people know about vampires and become armed against the threat that they would be screwed. Sure, you have your arrogant pricks, but even to a certain extent they know what is likely to happen if the military found out about them.
The Volturi don't do shit. They threaten with "possible" punishments, but never really do anything. Jane and her brother had full knowledge that the newborns were getting made and did nothing to stop it. It shows a real lack of potential for the Volturi to be the dominate protectors of their species and it's not even used within the story.
I feel that unless you're a wild newborn you have nothing to fear from the Volturi.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Nov 11, 2012 1:40:59 GMT -8
Apparently, the Volturi have a rule about killing any humans who find out about them, but clearly that's a rule that they don't follow through with, nor can they. They don't know every time a human finds out about a vamp. The only reason they even knew about Bella was because she was stupid enough to actually GO there and show them that she knew.
Other than the whole "eating of innocent people", I just can't see the Volturi as the actual bad guys the books and Meyer try to claim they are. I mean, even in regards to the newborn army and Bree "revealing" that they knew about them--well, OBVIOUSLY they knew! They offered their help to the Cullens and the Cullens were the ones who turned them down. I can't take it as "Volturi knew and didn't do shit" as much as it honestly looks like "Volturi checked and Cullens told them to butt out".
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Post by makoeyes on Nov 12, 2012 13:23:29 GMT -8
Apparently, the Volturi have a rule about killing any humans who find out about them, but clearly that's a rule that they don't follow through with, nor can they. What's funny is that the Cullens try to stop the Volturi from killing Bree (but they only care about her once they make it clear the Volturi want to kill her, thus so they can look like the good guys), and Jane says they don't make exception. Lol wut? Jane is stanin right in front of living proof that they do make exceptions. They didn't kill Bella or turn her, even though she's a human who knows about Meyerpires. Then they don't do so in the third book, and Jane even points out that she's still human. If the Volturi were actual villains, Jane would've started torturing someoen immediately until they agreed to turn Bella on the spot.
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Post by writer wannabe on Nov 12, 2012 14:21:59 GMT -8
Or they would've turned or eaten her when New Moon came around.
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Post by candypants on Nov 12, 2012 14:55:34 GMT -8
This is very true. I know I would have sympathized more with the Cullens a little bit more if they had been tortured for not turning Bella when they were told to. Even the Lich from Adventure Time is a better villain than the Volturi. That's saying something when a kids show villain is more evil than Meyers 'special' vampire organization.
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Post by makoeyes on Nov 13, 2012 23:45:19 GMT -8
^Have only watched a little bit of AT, but I agree. The Lich tried to throw the entire multiverse into Chaos and had the means to do so. That definitely places him way above the Volt-lamos.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Nov 14, 2012 3:58:29 GMT -8
They're more like a very ineffective government than anything. No problem with vamps eating humans so long as they don't attract attention...ignoring, of course, that people regularly disappearing and being killed is exactly what DRAWS attention in the first place!
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Post by marienomad on Mar 9, 2014 17:27:46 GMT -8
Well, since the Volturi were 'defeated' in Breaking Dawn, they might get that kick in the pants to be proper villains. The younger vampires won't respect them now because since a bunch of vegetarian vampires could get away with giving the Volturi the middle finger.
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