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Post by Alastor on Mar 21, 2012 20:02:17 GMT -8
The RPU needs some games that are outside of the HYWCA setting and the 'random RPs' it's spawned. Badly. We really need to get something outside of that going. I'm all for fun, and the fact you guys are having fun playing it is fine (in fact, the only real rule for the RP is 'It's just a fucking game. Have fun'), but we NEED to have games that don't weather out and die in the first few posts or in the OOC thread. The problem with just posting in JUST the one game and spin-offs of it is that it not only prevents any other game from going anywhere, but scares away most of the new and returning players we could get because it seems very clique-y. This isn't meant to be an attack on the players of HYWCA, far from it in fact. The problem is that none of us are giving input to games other then the big game. We need to start talking to each other and get to know one another. This lack of communication is causing us more trouble then it's worth. How can we fix this? Well, we could try to make a few games we all find interesting. We could talk about ideas for games, help each other with them. We're all guilty of not doing this, not just the HWYCA players. We NEED to start playing games with each other. We NEED to talk to each other. Doing so will fix the vast majority of problems with the RPU.
TL;DR: Start playing in the other games and talking to the others, helping them with their games. It will make the RPU a better place.
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Post by Little Death on Mar 21, 2012 20:05:59 GMT -8
I agree. I've been wanting to RP in the RPU for a while now, but there haven't been many opportunities for me, and I feel awkward jumping into thread that isn't fresh.
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Post by Penny Royals on Mar 21, 2012 20:07:46 GMT -8
Same as LD. I've had some ideas, so has Per, and I'm sure others. But it's just that nobody from the HYCWA thread seem to want to DO anything else. :\
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Post by samedi on Mar 21, 2012 20:29:39 GMT -8
No excuse? Preference maybe? You come up with an idea that I like, and I'll join. Maybe. I have no desire to play 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'School for the Triumphant'. I have enough RP's on my plate elsewhere as it is.
On top of that, I won't be pushed into playing anything, either.
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Post by Darth Pichu on Mar 21, 2012 20:37:10 GMT -8
Yeah, you know what, I get this entirely. =P Honestly it has been bothering me that my RP is currently the only RP that's doing anything. I noticed that the whole spinoff thing was getting to be a little bit much, so I redirected over to a separate forum in and of itself, and that's done wonders to keep all of our crap off of TS save for the original topic. And if you wanted, we could actually move the entire topic over to the new forum as well. It's something that's come up, but that we've avoided because A) we're all pretty damn lazy and B) we like getting new members too.
ALL of that said I realize that this is kind of becoming an issue. =/ I've seen it, I know having one gargantuan topic makes things look out of proportion, and it's not ideal at all. I'd much rather see a lot of smaller RPs work, than just let one large one take over everything. I've tried a couple, but I've had the problem that time, on my part, is a huge factor. Most of my freetime happens between 10PM and 2AM because of the way my classes run. I'm okay with this and keeping up with the RP and a couple of other easy spinoffs with largely the same setting is something I can do fairly easily. Y'know, ontop of schoolwork and all that. I do, however, doubt my ability to run another RP alongside of this one that won't run itself and that needs pushing. It's why the pokemon one I tried failed. It's why a lot of our outside ideas failed. To be in another one, I could probably do, but I couldn't promise that I'd be a really huge key player in many of them just because this one thing (plus the five or six other spinoffs we have running on the forum we made) take up a whole lot of time.
I think the solution here is pretty simple. Build it and they will come. Want an RP? Start something. What happened to all of those "Random interviewer" topics from the V2 forum? What about the Hetalia RP, what about all the puppets, what about just grabbing a character and going with them? I haven't seen this stuff happen since we left V2. Is HWYCA big, well yeah, now it is, but it's hardly much compared to half of the things I saw on V2. I know the things the RPU is capable of and I'm a little disappointed no one's brought it back yet. I don't do it because I don't know how, and because if I were to do it I know it wouldn't be from the heart.
So alright. Ideas. =P Lets get some things rolling in here, what do you all want to see more of? you guys are RPers too, what are you interested in RPing about?
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Post by mekasoundwave on Mar 21, 2012 20:41:08 GMT -8
No excuse? Preference maybe? You come up with an idea that I like, and I'll join. Maybe. I have no desire to play 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'School for the Triumphant'. I have enough RP's on my plate elsewhere as it is. On top of that, I won't be pushed into playing anything, either. Dude, no one's pushing anyone into anything. The point being made is that no one HAS any ideas you like because not many RPs are being made due to HWYCA. And any one that does show up either dies prematurely and never starts or doesn't get enough intrest to actually go anywhere with what the person starting it set out to do.
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Post by Penny Royals on Mar 21, 2012 20:42:30 GMT -8
Some of us have had ideas, definitely, Pichu. And I totally understand how you can't be on too often- and also see how that doesn't have to be that big of an issue and you can play as not a key player, which is kinda what i got outta your post?
I was kinda thinking of starting up a fantasy RP of some sort. Or a modern adventure that's nerdiness-fueled.
Also, Samedi: The fact about you having another site is understandable... but not really an excuse. Plenty of us have other sites and would still be completely active if we were given an RP to do, with active members, etc. Hell, I'm still waiting around for the AiW RP to move... I was hoping it could be another good one like JS(just because it's AiW themed. xD)
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Post by WolfBloodRei on Mar 21, 2012 20:51:37 GMT -8
I see both sides of this, really.
I agree with Samedi that an interesting rp would grab my attention. I also agree with Pichu in that a lot more threads than just the HWYCA verse could use quite a bit of that same attention.
I do disagree, though, with rping being like a game (it really isn't). A game can be turned on and off. A muse, unfortunately, cannot and a muse is the most important aspect of roleplaying. Without muse, there is no creativity and without creativity there's nothing to write. You can't just look at a random roleplay and turn the creative juices on. If it doesn't interest you, then your muse leaves you for greener pastures. Mine has done it frequently. -Headdesk-
That being said, I wouldn't mind joining another RP thread if I liked the premise and idea enough. I just haven't really seen anything that interested me, is all.
So, like Pichu said, if anyone has any ideas, feel free to throw 'em out there. =D
EDIT: What kind of fantasy rp, Penny? What's AiW?
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Post by Darth Pichu on Mar 21, 2012 20:53:18 GMT -8
I was kinda thinking of starting up a fantasy RP of some sort. Or a modern adventure that's nerdiness-fueled. Alright. Sure that could happen. Absolutely. Let's expand on that. What sort of fantasy setting? What's our conflict? Do we have a conflict, a plot, a villain? We can mold this into something together. RP can happen here. HWYCA wasn't even supposed to BE an RP topic. If it can happen there, then it can definitely happen here. Personally I think part of the problem was a little bit of laziness on my own part, reusing characters. I'll stop that if I need to to make things mesh better and keep universes from falling together. But sure, okay, there's one idea. Alastor was talking about doing a Black Butler RP. I'm still all for that. Just waiting on a plot. That could happen any time. Alright. We have some ideas and Iiii need to be awake and conscious to teach at 7:45, so I need to be up for 6. I can't really stick around, but I'll be on sometime tomorrow night, or tomorrow during the day. Just keep these ideas moving. If something needs to happen, it'll happen.
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Post by Penny Royals on Mar 21, 2012 20:57:17 GMT -8
Well the fantasy RP is kinda debatable. Have a lot of random ideas- one that is in the same universe as Labyrinth, one that involves magical girls and power armor(Meka and Al both know this, we've been working on it for a while on other sites but are always into doing it on other sites), and a few others. Hell Al's got a fantasy giant robot one in the works.
As for the adventure, it's either based off of Scott Pilgrim or my own idea. Or both. I don't know yet.
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Post by Alastor on Mar 21, 2012 20:59:32 GMT -8
if you wanted, we could actually move the entire topic over to the new forum as well. Actually, that'd be rather nice. However, I don't mind the game's concept of being a test bed for new characters like it was on V2- in fact it'd be rather helpful. Perhaps move the original to the forums, and set up a reboot of sorts that'll be cleaned every so often to prevent this? Hell, we could link to the forums for the original in the OP and OOC to it if you'd like. I understand that, and I'm actually perfectly fine if players can't get around to posting terribly often. What matters is that you try to, etc. So alright. Ideas. =P Lets get some things rolling in here, what do you all want to see more of? you guys are RPers too, what are you interested in RPing about?[/quote]Honestly? I feel a few mini-RPs would be a wonderful way to start out and get everyone to know each other. As for major RPs, I've been working on a Sci-Fi/Fantasy mecha game for a while, inspired by series like Escaflowne, Masou Kishin (hipster and nerd points if you even know that that IS), Aura Battler Dunbine, and The Five-Star Stories. I'm not terribly sure if it'd go over well because it'd likely require a good bit of group planning as well the fact it'd be rather slow. Overall, I'd like to see more sci-fi/fantasy hybrids, especially mecha games and the like, as well as possibly a 'slow' game or two. If I sound condescending at all in either of my posts I apologize. XD
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Post by mekasoundwave on Mar 21, 2012 21:01:29 GMT -8
Well the fantasy RP is kinda debatable. Have a lot of random ideas- one that is in the same universe as Labyrinth, one that involves magical girls and power armor(Meka and Al both know this, we've been working on it for a while on other sites but are always into doing it on other sites), and a few others. Hell Al's got a fantasy giant robot one in the works. As for the adventure, it's either based off of Scott Pilgrim or my own idea. Or both. I don't know yet. If it's the Scott Pilgrim one, just saying, I could be the one to do it. Wouldn't be hard, plot wise, since it'd basically be your standard beat-em-up plot line (anyone ever play River City Ransom or Double Dragon? Basically, like those). Characters would be a bit odd, but that's neither here nor there.
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Post by WolfBloodRei on Mar 21, 2012 21:13:15 GMT -8
I love Labyrinth! =D (it's really the only fandom mentioned that I'm familiar with. That's kind of sad on my part, really)
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Post by Penny Royals on Mar 21, 2012 21:15:07 GMT -8
^I effing ADORE Labyrinth. <3 So happy somebody else loves it too!
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Post by samedi on Mar 21, 2012 21:16:27 GMT -8
If I'm not being pushed into anything, why am I being told I have 'no excuse to not join anything'? Maybe I don't want to join the few RPs that have popped up here.
Hardly HWYCA's fault that the other RPs sank. Maybe some of them should have been planned better. In fact, all the spinoffs aren't even on TS. Sure, there are one or two, but nothing to warrant concern.
The only other reason I can think of is that you think HWYCA regulars aren't contributing to other RPs, and that they should do so. To this, I say I have absolutely no enthusiasm towards any of the fandoms you guys just mentioned. It's not HWYCA's fault that no RPs are being made. No, my friends, that is your fault for not making anything that appeals to either us, or others who would like to get into the RP. I agree, come up with something fun that we can all dig.
Otherwise, please do not pin the blame on HWYCA because you didn't garner enough supporters for an RP before you posted it.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Mar 21, 2012 21:18:06 GMT -8
...I don't really know much about RP. Honestly, this and the HWYCA spinoffs are the only RPing I've really done other than on, like, iScribble. Which is why I fail so hard at it. I'd be open to joining other RPs, but a lot of the ideas here are based in 'verses I don't really know. A more generic fantasy or sci-fi sort of thing sounds like a lot of fun, though.
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Post by Alastor on Mar 21, 2012 21:18:26 GMT -8
one that involves magical girls and power armor(Meka and Al both know this, we've been working on it for a while on other sites but are always into doing it on other sites) That shit is always a good way to bring people into RPs. It's light-hearted (for the most part), gleefully homages Sailor Moon, Super Sentai, GARO, etc., has frequent humor, etc. Al's got a fantasy giant robot one in the works. Which I can't decide if the 'robots' are organic and not robots at all or are just rare as hell like in FSS.
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Post by Prime Spinosaur on Mar 21, 2012 21:21:52 GMT -8
not many RPs are being made due to HWYCA. Interesting statement. Care to back it up with examples that link directly to HWYCA? I don't know why, but somewhere along the lines, HWYCA suddenly became a bad word. Why? We've done nothing, I mean absolutely nothing wrong. We've participated in other RPs, and while they might have died in the end, we still participated. Somehow, somewhere along the line, people started to think that we looked down on other RPers, as if we were too good for them. No, we don't think this, some of us are busy with lives and can only stretch so much, and for some of us, the RP suggested isn't in our taste, and there's nothing wrong with that, with over 6 billion people on this planet, designed to be different by evolution to create different outcomes and possibilities of survival and passing down those unique traits down to the next generation, not everyone is going to be the same, have the same brain pattern, have the same interests.
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Post by Penny Royals on Mar 21, 2012 21:25:48 GMT -8
Well now the question arises, if nothing has been in your interests... why haven't you made any?
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Post by Prime Spinosaur on Mar 21, 2012 21:30:08 GMT -8
I have made RPs here, in the past threads. Look at Mythos, League of Heroes(which didn't work out in the end).
Plus, I've been busy. I don't have time to be making too many RP threads. We have lives outside of the internet.
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Post by mekasoundwave on Mar 21, 2012 21:40:31 GMT -8
not many RPs are being made due to HWYCA. Interesting statement. Care to back it up with examples that link directly to HWYCA? I don't know why, but somewhere along the lines, HWYCA suddenly became a bad word. Why? We've done nothing, I mean absolutely nothing wrong. We've participated in other RPs, and while they might have died in the end, we still participated. Somehow, somewhere along the line, people started to think that we looked down on other RPers, as if we were too good for them. No, we don't think this, some of us are busy with lives and can only stretch so much, and for some of us, the RP suggested isn't in our taste, and there's nothing wrong with that, with over 6 billion people on this planet, designed to be different by evolution to create different outcomes and possibilities of survival and passing down those unique traits down to the next generation, not everyone is going to be the same, have the same brain pattern, have the same interests. I'm not implying HWYCA is a bad thing; it's an active RP with members that love it. It complies with the rules and fufills it's purpose, ergo, it's perfectly fine. What I am implying is that no other RP has met the level of succes it has on this site. Or, in many cases, ANY level of succes. Look back at TS V2: there were more than a handful of RPs that were hundreds of pages long with a ton of dedicated members. Meanwhile, only HWYCA has done that here. HWYCA isn't the problem (or a problem at all). But there's a problem, and that's what this thread is for: finding the problem, fixing it, and returning Glorious Mother Russia the RPU to it's former levels of productivity.
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Post by samedi on Mar 21, 2012 21:40:49 GMT -8
Well now the question arises, if nothing has been in your interests... why haven't you made any? Because I have several other rps going that hold my interest. And Meka, the general thing here seems to be HWYCA is indeed the problem. Not because other people haven't been turning up to create an RP that doesn't sink inside a month due to lack of planning and/or support but because the people over at HWYCA are having too much fun. Or at least that's how you four seem to be explaining it.
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Post by Alastor on Mar 21, 2012 22:02:34 GMT -8
If I'm not being pushed into anything, why am I being told I have 'no excuse to not join anything'? Maybe I don't want to join the few RPs that have popped up here. The point being made is that one, massive game can scare away other members. Which is very much happening as shown in the thread. And no, I'm not forcing you to play in other games. However I would like you to contribute ideas for games, or give criticism to developing ones, to make the area a better place (when possible, that is. I don't mean to sound unreasonable- after all we all have lives). Hardly HWYCA's fault that the other RPs sank. Maybe some of them should have been planned better. In fact, all the spinoffs aren't even on TS. Sure, there are one or two, but nothing to warrant concern. RPU Kittified, RPU Chibified, HYCWA Bloopers, RPU VS Twilight, and RPUpoclypse. These all could qualify as spin offs. The only other reason I can think of is that you think HWYCA regulars aren't contributing to other RPs, and that they should do so. This is a worry of mine, yes. I'm worried that a single group of players has grown and their game of choice has grown to dominate the entire section. This is a mixed blessing, as it shows these players are indeed enjoying a game, which is a good thing. But at the same time, it also shows a lack of interest in other games and a lack of one to starting others. I'm fine with HWYCA. It's a wonderful idea to get know other players as well as work on your characters, and the fact its players are having fun with it is great. But there's a problem in the fact there's no success of any sort outside of it. THAT is what I'm worried about. That there's just one game that goes on, and not any other ones. It's not HWYCA's fault that no RPs are being made. No, my friends, that is your fault for not making anything that appeals to either us, or others who would like to get into the RP. I agree, come up with something fun that we can all dig. ...Nobody is saying the game is a problem, other then the fact it might ward off other players (but at the same time, all games can do that once hitting a certain point). If I'm implying that, I don't mean to. The problem is that there's literally no interest in getting other games off the ground. The problem isn't that the game. It's that there's no input from anyone. We're all guilty of this, and I'm not trying to say you're or any of the players are a problem. If anything, it's the lack of us talking to one another that lead to this. Otherwise, please do not pin the blame on HWYCA because you didn't garner enough supporters for an RP before you posted it. Well, that's the problem. There seems to be little interest in getting any games off the ground that AREN'T the game because of lack of input from anybody. This is the problem I'm meaning to refer to, not the big game itself or the fun the players are having with it.
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Post by samedi on Mar 21, 2012 22:17:15 GMT -8
In that case, please rephrase your OP. And generally, titles with RPU in them refer not exclusively to HWYCA, but to the RPU. As the name implies. I'm just saying, that instead of actually (because you were)assigning blame, you could have just tried starting up some new RPs in OOC.
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Post by Alastor on Mar 21, 2012 22:42:57 GMT -8
In that case, please rephrase your OP. And generally, titles with RPU in them refer not exclusively to HWYCA, but to the RPU. As the name implies. I'm just saying, that instead of actually (because you were)assigning blame, you could have just tried starting up some new RPs in OOC. Those games were also pretty heavy on one needing to know what was happening/happened in HYCWA. Which I admit was part of the point of the big crossover game- an experiment to make a Super Robot Wars-esc crossover. However, your point is still valid- they're about the RPU as a whole, and thus crossovers. And, honestly, we need to look at our points from each other's viewpoints. I'm worried that there's only a single game, and as a moderator for the section I eventually had to take action to try and get more interest in games outside it. You're worried that I'm accusing the users of a game for not playing in any other game and telling you to stop having fun. It looked like I was trying to run you off the site, which is quite the opposite. Again, this argument stemmed from poor communications. And I'm editing my post right now. Anyway, we need to have a 'to-do list'. So far: *Get to know other players *Make a few 'random' games outside of HYWCA *Agree on a 'major' game or two for most of us to play in *Move the dead games and OOCs to an area made for them (WE MUST PESTER ZAXROTH FOR THIS) *Possibly 'reboot' the HYCWA thread or make a sibling thread that acts like a test bed for characters- be they new or old. *CHILL THE FUCK OUT, WE'RE ARGUING OVER A BUNCH OF GAMES I'll also come up with a few 'rules' to the RPU, which will be rather lax.
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2012 23:04:11 GMT -8
Ta-da.
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Post by Alastor on Mar 21, 2012 23:05:21 GMT -8
...If it isn't too much, or if possible, could that sub-board have a section to dead OOC threads?
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2012 23:10:06 GMT -8
Shazaam.
Capped out the layers of subboards, but put it in just below the archive.
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Post by Alastor on Mar 21, 2012 23:13:20 GMT -8
Shazaam. Capped out the layers of subboards, but put it in just below the archive. Thanks, man. It'll make this much easier. Anyway, we need to have a 'to-do list'. So far: *Get to know other players *Make a few 'random' games outside of HYWCA *Agree on a 'major' game or two for most of us to play in *Move the dead games and OOCs to an area made for them (WE MUST PESTER ZAXROTH FOR THIS)*Possibly 'reboot' the HYCWA thread or make a sibling thread that acts like a test bed for characters- be they new or old. *CHILL THE FUCK OUT, WE'RE ARGUING OVER A BUNCH OF GAMES
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Post by JW% on Mar 21, 2012 23:14:00 GMT -8
I was directed here to share my thoughts once more, having been referenced already in the thread already. I do disagree, though, with rping being like a game (it really isn't). A game can be turned on and off. A muse, unfortunately, cannot and a muse is the most important aspect of roleplaying. Without muse, there is no creativity and without creativity there's nothing to write. You can't just look at a random roleplay and turn the creative juices on. If it doesn't interest you, then your muse leaves you for greener pastures. Mine has done it frequently. -Headdesk- If I could respectfully disagree with that, well, disagreement: Role Playing in any kind of organized setting is a game. What you're thinking of as role playing, in which a muse is required and can easily be lost, is a writing exercise. The line can easily blur, particularly on this forum, but roleplaying shouldn't require you to seek out a muse and force your creativity, all you need to do is put yourself in the role or roles you've taken on for the game/thread, and play it/them out. You're not trying to create literature, if that happens more power to it, but all you're really trying to do is see the world(possibly a fantasy world) from another perspective. Or, if the role is close enough to your own personality, see it from the same perspective. Think of it as being an actor, not an author. That being said, I wouldn't mind joining another RP thread if I liked the premise and idea enough. I just haven't really seen anything that interested me, is all. I haven't seen anything new at all. The last new ideas I saw were my own. Infact, in the OOC I posted a poll listing off what I'd be interested in taking charge of, if I could gather players, and asking for feedback from the regulars on this forum as to what they would be interested in. The general feeling I received from the poll thread, and I will admit that it was politely replied to, was that "It's not HWYCA, so we wouldn't want it or you." Keeping in mind that this was just an over all holistic feeling I picked up on, not a direct statement, and the conversation with Pichu was pleasantly engaging. EDIT: What kind of fantasy rp, Penny? What's AiW? AiW I think she means Alice In Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass, or at least something in that general style.
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