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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 16:52:51 GMT -8
Is there a thread for anti-Twilight fan art? I couldn't find one, so I figured this would be a good spot. Check out my time-lapse of a copy of Twilight Burning.
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Post by arcanius on Oct 6, 2013 5:32:33 GMT -8
The National Club for Fantasy, Sci-fi and Horror in my country actually accepts twilight as something good
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Post by KeyOfTheTwilight on Oct 8, 2013 21:54:36 GMT -8
^ *eye twitches* What...? O_e
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Post by arcanius on Oct 9, 2013 0:35:09 GMT -8
^ Yeah I know, basicaly Sparhawk(Nickname of our glorious leader for whom's gloriousness I kinda begin to doubt)keeps a policy of "You don't like - you just don't talk about it." And still funny thing is, among "great works" which get their own separate board on the forum, there's stuff like Lotr, HP, Star Wars, Eragon(Eragon well meh, it was fine I say but does it really deserve to be up with stuff like Lotr and HP?)Narnia and so forth... But then comes Twilight, it just pisses me off to see something like that put in line with the ones up there... I used to be proud I'm part of the community of the Citadel, now..... I don't really know
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Oct 10, 2013 21:03:19 GMT -8
I saw a website that talked about the Quiluitte (sp?) tribe in Twilight.
I found it rather sad that she took their culture and traditions, made up some crap, and even messed around with their culture and tails to fit her book. I also found it horrific that she didn't give a cent to the tribe and that places like Hot Topic took their symbols and marketed it without giving the tribe anything either.
So she basically appropriated their culture for her silyl books and didn't give them any royalities.
It also doesn't help that she portrayed these guys as savages compared to the vampires. Also doesn't help that she romanticized domestic violence in Emily case, when most Native American women suffer from abuse and rape.
In short, Meyer should have made up her own tribe or just left that shit out.
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Post by KeyOfTheTwilight on Oct 15, 2013 21:50:36 GMT -8
^ It really is infuriating. Did she ever thought what if she might offend someone? I mean, she decided to make her story take place in this world, doesn't bother make her own things up and decided to use real life stuff and. Didn't. Even. Bother. To. Research. Seriously! She has no idea that she could accidentally offend someone!
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Post by theclowhatter on Oct 16, 2013 5:34:24 GMT -8
^ It really is infuriating. Did she ever thought what if she might offend someone? I mean, she decided to make her story take place in this world, doesn't bother make her own things up and decided to use real life stuff and. Didn't. Even. Bother. To. Research. Seriously! She has no idea that she could accidentally offend someone! I'm already offended of Bella antics in New Moon. I already suffer from delusions and this author writes them as something positive. Not to mention Bella survives her suicidal attempts and treats it like nothing. Did not do the research does not give her a free pass to insult others with her trashy writing. And fans who defend her think my hatred is strung by jealousy. Such narrow minded people.
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Post by arcanius on Nov 2, 2013 10:29:02 GMT -8
Here's something that I only recently discovered, bothers me about it: The newspaper article about the Seattle vampire killings in Eclipse. Newspaper articles are not pieces of creative writing. They are NEVER blatantly emotional, biased and filled with adjectives like "hideous" and "horrifying". They give the facts of the story, and THAT'S IT. I find it astonishing that Stephenie doesn't know that. I mean - surely she must have read a newspaper at some point in her life... Right? It's not much but - really? She doesn't even know how newspapers work? Then again seeing the level of sheltering......
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Post by arcanius on Nov 10, 2013 11:23:29 GMT -8
Oh, and a little something I noticed about it just now, we all know Stephenie just completely disregards scientific and biological facts. I'm not talking about Renesmee's conception; I'm willing to let that slide, even if it is highly improbable. I'm specifically thinking of that moment in Twilight when Edward kisses Bella, and her heart literally stops. That is 100% pure concentrate of impossible. The heartbeat is an autonomic function controlled by a part of the brain called the medulla, and yeah it can speed up when you're physiologically aroused by something, or it can slow down when you're relaxed. HOWEVER! It will never, ever, ever, stop(unless you are actually dying.... Hey this means she died much sooner than the books say...).
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Post by EquinoxSolstice92 on Nov 14, 2013 13:45:33 GMT -8
Oh, and a little something I noticed about it just now, we all know Stephenie just completely disregards scientific and biological facts. I'm not talking about Renesmee's conception; I'm willing to let that slide, even if it is highly improbable. I'm specifically thinking of that moment in Twilight when Edward kisses Bella, and her heart literally stops. That is 100% pure concentrate of impossible. The heartbeat is an autonomic function controlled by a part of the brain called the medulla, and yeah it can speed up when you're physiologically aroused by something, or it can slow down when you're relaxed. HOWEVER! It will never, ever, ever, stop(unless you are actually dying.... Hey this means she died much sooner than the books say...). That is really stupid. If her heart did literally stop, then she wouldn't even breathe let alone speak. She would've been dead once her heart stopped functioning. Goes to show Meyer doesn't know anything about science. Even younger kids know more than her.
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Post by arcanius on Nov 23, 2013 9:55:55 GMT -8
But not twitards apparently, the damned heretics already have two shrines where I live. I'm honestly pissed off at twilight lately, there simply can't be a day with me not hearing a "Twilight is awsum!!!11111111!!!"
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Post by EquinoxSolstice92 on Nov 23, 2013 10:27:13 GMT -8
But not twitards apparently, the damned heretics already have two shrines where I live. I'm honestly pissed off at twilight lately, there simply can't be a day with me not hearing a "Twilight is awsum!!!11111111!!!" I thought that Twilight is dead to be honest. In where I live, nobody seems to talk about the franchise anymore.
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Post by arcanius on Nov 23, 2013 10:43:32 GMT -8
Interesting Fact - Bulgaria's 10 years behind the other nations, the franchise is still somewhat alive here
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Post by EquinoxSolstice92 on Nov 24, 2013 2:10:45 GMT -8
Interesting Fact - Bulgaria's 10 years behind the other nations, the franchise is still somewhat alive here Sucks for you dude. Fortunately. here in AMURRICA, Twilight is dead but people still use the phrase "It's a better love story than Twilight."
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Post by arcanius on Nov 24, 2013 2:22:58 GMT -8
Meh, It's stupid and kinda makes me angry but whatever. I still have The Paladin Chapter of the Righteous(An anti-twilight joke-society.)
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Post by Madame Celeste on Nov 26, 2013 0:05:25 GMT -8
Interesting Fact - Bulgaria's 10 years behind the other nations, the franchise is still somewhat alive here Sucks for you dude. Fortunately. here in AMURRICA, Twilight is dead but people still use the phrase "It's a better love story than Twilight." I actually find that pretty ironic, personally. Once upon a time, just shortly after the end of Twilight's glory days, I found a small article in a magazine written by a woman claiming to be a "professional psychic". (I forgot her name.) I put that in quotes because, in the article, she predicted that HUNGER GAMES was the dying fad that would soon fade into obscurity, while Twilight would remain a nationwide favorite for years to come. At the time I could already sense that Twilight was dying, so I had just said "yeah right" and put the magazine away. But now that Twilight is, for all intents and purposes, dead, I can't help but think of that article and feel sorry for that poor woman; 20 bucks says she's out of a job by now.
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Post by EquinoxSolstice92 on Nov 27, 2013 22:27:19 GMT -8
Sucks for you dude. Fortunately. here in AMURRICA, Twilight is dead but people still use the phrase "It's a better love story than Twilight." I actually find that pretty ironic, personally. Once upon a time, just shortly after the end of Twilight's glory days, I found a small article in a magazine written by a woman claiming to be a "professional psychic". (I forgot her name.) I put that in quotes because, in the article, she predicted that HUNGER GAMES was the dying fad that would soon fade into obscurity, while Twilight would remain a nationwide favorite for years to come. At the time I could already sense that Twilight was dying, so I had just said "yeah right" and put the magazine away. But now that Twilight is, for all intents and purposes, dead, I can't help but think of that article and feel sorry for that poor woman; 20 bucks says she's out of a job by now. I feel bad for her too. She sure got her prediction wrong. Twilight might have died but the legacy... still alive. The only original thing about it is the sparkling vampire. Fast forward now and The Hunger Games is a lot more popular.
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Post by arcanius on Nov 29, 2013 10:26:31 GMT -8
You know, whats funny about all this is, that most of our notices are really nothing that in itself would be beyond "Meh it's fiction - bound to have some holes to it". But there are just so many that the entire thing is really one massive hole. I found a completely different meaning to "When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back"
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Post by KeyOfTheTwilight on Dec 4, 2013 12:24:01 GMT -8
^ I thought so too. No wonder people got sucked in... >.>
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Post by makoeyes on Dec 17, 2013 21:46:28 GMT -8
I think I've learned more about grammar from Reasoning With Vampires than I did in four years of high school.
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Post by malva on Jan 4, 2014 19:41:00 GMT -8
Bella rant? Bella rant. Didn't see this one get brought up.
She's ALWAYS lying to someone, seeking excuses, bitch about not finding excuses, hiding something, avoiding topics or persons, trying to fake her voice to sound some way, downright flirting with Jacob for the sole purpose of getting information out of him he'll be in trouble for sharing, seeking excuses for what she did AFTER she did it for a selfish reason (thus lying to herself), pretending to think or feel something else, faking interest, faking expressions, seeking excuses to not have to look someone in the eyes, excuse, pretend, hide, fake, cover, avoid, lie, manipulate... In her few bright moments where she proves some cunning and empathy, she's mostly using it to find someone's weak spots, predict them and make up schemes. Literally the first thing in the book she said to someone else was a (frequent) lie, followed by "I always was a bad liar". What a fitting thing for a liar to say. As in "I have flaws, I suck at being awful. That must mean I don't have a lot of practice with it". She has plenty, she just isn't getting better at it. These second nature, out of habit lies are what irk me more than some of the worse shit she pulled (like emotionally scarring Charlie). No matter how trivial the situation, she'll jump at hiding and deceiving. What's worse is that I'm writing a similar character: A chronic liar who never grew any backbone, so he won't solve anything head on. Oh sheet, that's Bella! Meyer actually did a more convincing, thorough and natural feeling job at it! I said it. One of the worst characters in published literature just kicked my ass. The only bright side is that Meyer probably didn't write her this awful intentionally. Wait. Then she kicked my ass unintentionally!
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Post by KeyOfTheTwilight on Jan 6, 2014 20:28:31 GMT -8
^ That sucks man! Getting your ass kicked unintentionally.
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Post by malva on Feb 1, 2014 5:38:24 GMT -8
Oh God, Eclipse, what a tasty piece of shit literature you are... 1. If the vamp murdering in Seattle is so bad, it keeps going on national news and the murder toll is the highest in the US over night, how come there's TWENTY newborns attacking the Cullens? Even if Victoria did hand-pick them, she must have vamped THOUSANDS by now and persuaded at least a few hundred of those. She clearly wasn't picky with her fighters. The Cullens didn't even take this serious before they knew the werewolves were going to help them (which they would have obviously done since they guard the area!) Don't give me "they ALL killed each other". If Victoria bought a goldfish, it would burst into flames the first five minutes!
2. And then, you only bring ONE wimpy vamp guy with you when you attack Edward, when you can clearly smell there's a werewolf around? A vampire who would have been rendered useless if they spilled a BLOOD TRANFUSION in his face, which Carlisle has easy access to.
3. The police investigations must be all over the place. How come nobody saw anything fishy about all these frenzying vampires and their victims? Isn't this why the Volturi normally stop this, except when they decide to not do anything (which is... literally always)?
4. Many of these newborn probably owned guns when they were alive. They can plunder all they like. How come NONE of them brought weapons? Stuff that normal people can't even CARRY, or any melee weapons? What's with their super special powers?
5. These are many, many innocents that had to die for this stupid cause. They don't know what's going on or what they became or why. Their families and loved ones will never find closure or proof they are dead. This is incredibly tragic. How is this never adressed? It's nice of the werewolves and Cullens to finally show their true colors and KEEP CHEERING THERE'S FINALLY SOME OTHER PEOPLE THEY CAN TEAR APART! "Truly good to the core", guys... also, thanks for not having me "worry" you could have a single casualty in this fight. This keeps my attention to never ending dialogues that go full circle several times over. Clearly, there was no space left in the book to describe that boring battle.
6. Did you SERIOUSLY think Aro and his men would come PERSONALLY all the way from Italy to the westcoast of the US, sneak into some teenage girl's bedroom and steal her panties for sniffing? Besides, they already know her smell, and they HAD a chance to kill you. But they settled for conditions instead, which you haven't broken. How can you not instantly suspect Victoria?
7. Every time, there is an actual reason for these idiots to be mad at each other, they go "but I couldn't bring myself to be mad at him. I only loath myself for poorly explained reasons, meeeeeeh"
I demand for this book to be rewritten. This time, the Cullens are outnumbered 20 to 1 by an actual ARMY where everyone carries at least dual bazookas. Bella doesn't have a "I graduated, so I endured everything in life there is to do" attitude. Still, most won't fight a lost battle for her ass. The next book is solely about the newborns wanting their old lives back while the Volturi hunt them.
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Post by arcanius on May 17, 2014 5:52:58 GMT -8
Another weird writing characteristic of the series is Meyers's tendency to interrupt serious thoughts with a comment about how hot is Edward. The first time I think was in Twilight when Bella says, "He turned slowly to glare at me – his face was absurdly handsome – with piercing, hate-filled eyes". That actually would have been a good sentence if it didn't have the out-of-place interjection. Oh and in New Moon, Bella is freaking out about the Volturi eating tourists, and we're given this wondrous piece of crap: "His [Edward's] voice was rough – if velvet can be rough – with anxiety." Might as well take it to the next level and say: "His voice was rough - did I mention his great ass - with anxiety"
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Post by trandafir on Jun 10, 2014 23:32:26 GMT -8
Another weird writing characteristic of the series is Meyers's tendency to interrupt serious thoughts with a comment about how hot is Edward. The first time I think was in Twilight when Bella says, "He turned slowly to glare at me – his face was absurdly handsome – with piercing, hate-filled eyes". That actually would have been a good sentence if it didn't have the out-of-place interjection. Oh and in New Moon, Bella is freaking out about the Volturi eating tourists, and we're given this wondrous piece of crap: "His [Edward's] voice was rough – if velvet can be rough – with anxiety." Might as well take it to the next level and say: "His voice was rough - did I mention his great ass - with anxiety" Another proof that Twillight is nothing but plain fanfiction.Wait,even the fanfictions on Deviantart,written by amateurs,are ten times better than her so-called book.
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Post by Georgaina on Aug 23, 2014 7:56:33 GMT -8
Another weird writing characteristic of the series is Meyers's tendency to interrupt serious thoughts with a comment about how hot is Edward. The first time I think was in Twilight when Bella says, "He turned slowly to glare at me – his face was absurdly handsome – with piercing, hate-filled eyes". That actually would have been a good sentence if it didn't have the out-of-place interjection. Oh and in New Moon, Bella is freaking out about the Volturi eating tourists, and we're given this wondrous piece of crap: "His [Edward's] voice was rough – if velvet can be rough – with anxiety." Might as well take it to the next level and say: "His voice was rough - did I mention his great ass - with anxiety" I've noticed that too. Really takes away from the overall feel, and that already felt lacking to begin with. Aside from her dropping an Edward beauty comment in what seems to be at least once every 2 pages, it's like she can't even manage to concentrate enough to focus on the story, to create some sort of suspence, just ANYTHING really.. And well, even Rob thought she was mad and in love with Edward, so it would seem she has some serious issues going on there.. You'd think her editor would've said something, but no. I honestly hope that that woman (I believe it's a she) will never be hired for anything big again. If she lets stuff like this through.. I don't even..
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Post by arcanius on Aug 23, 2014 10:43:17 GMT -8
^ For me the funniest bit is this one. Background to the sentence - Bella just woke up from her vampire transformation and says: "I guess my brain will never work properly. At least I'm pretty".
Yeah, thats right girls reading this book - screw your intelligence; you have to look good first and foremost: beauty will get you anywhere you want to go.
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Post by Georgaina on Aug 23, 2014 12:41:41 GMT -8
And they say we shouldn't read to much into it and that a book shouldn't have morals.. The LEAST a book can do in my opinion is NOT promote stupid things such as Twilight did, what with Bella having no ambitions or future plans aside from becoming a vampire. I seem to recall somewhere among the lines Meyer claimed she was at least some sort of feminist. I'm honestly not feeling it, like ever.
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Post by arcanius on Aug 25, 2014 15:15:52 GMT -8
Here's a little thingy:
Bella always tries to make out that clumsiness is some kind of disability. This is just insensitive; there are a lot of people who have really debilitating disabilities, like paraplegics and vision-impaired people. Clumsiness is not a curse, and it certainly isn't a character flaw, or at least not a big one that deserves being adressed like that.
Also on the whole "New(level of stupid) Moon" of the Twilight series(I shal keep refusing to call them a "saga" because that term implies at the very least minimal amounts of epic):
The plot of New Moon as it was already countless times discussed is incredibly disturbing and inappropriate for a book that was aimed at teenagers. Bella's mental breakdown after Edward leaves just emphasises how dependent on men she really is, especially since she only starts to improve once she's getting some support from Jacob. Then there's Bella risking her own life over and over again just to hear Edward yelling at her for being stupid (AND SUDDENLY I learned why I don't have a girlfriend. I mean I was in the train of thought that I have to be nice and treat girls like individuals but hey, what do I, the guy know about girls! Man this pisses me off to no end!), and then Bella F*CKING tells us just how great and awesome dying feels while she's drowning and et cetera. She even said this: "Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable." HOW does anyone think this belongs in the head of a normal person? If it was a book aimed at showing us a psychologicaly instable person or was delving into some form of madness, then it would be fine, but when it tries to be romantic? NO.
And now for the actual thing I had to say:
Following on from that you realise something: Meyers actualy had the awe inspiring nerve to glamourise mental illnesses. Stephenie presented depression and suicide as being romantic(they can be interesting and dramatic when done right, but definately not here), when in real life they are nothing like that. Mental illnesses destroy people's lives, and they are not to be used for sexless tween vampire porn. YOU DO NOT get to treat these things lightly; anyone who has been affected by them will tell you that. Sorry to get all worked up about this, but I feel strongly about Stephenie's representation of such a condition in New Moon.
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Post by theclowhatter on Aug 28, 2014 5:20:20 GMT -8
Here's a little thingy: Bella always tries to make out that clumsiness is some kind of disability. This is just insensitive; there are a lot of people who have really debilitating disabilities, like paraplegics and vision-impaired people. Clumsiness is not a curse, and it certainly isn't a character flaw, or at least not a big one that deserves being adressed like that. Also on the whole "New(level of stupid) Moon" of the Twilight series(I shal keep refusing to call them a "saga" because that term implies at the very least minimal amounts of epic): The plot of New Moon as it was already countless times discussed is incredibly disturbing and inappropriate for a book that was aimed at teenagers. Bella's mental breakdown after Edward leaves just emphasises how dependent on men she really is, especially since she only starts to improve once she's getting some support from Jacob. Then there's Bella risking her own life over and over again just to hear Edward yelling at her for being stupid (AND SUDDENLY I learned why I don't have a girlfriend. I mean I was in the train of thought that I have to be nice and treat girls like individuals but hey, what do I, the guy know about girls! Man this pisses me off to no end!), and then Bella F*CKING tells us just how great and awesome dying feels while she's drowning and et cetera. She even said this: "Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable." HOW does anyone think this belongs in the head of a normal person? If it was a book aimed at showing us a psychologicaly instable person or was delving into some form of madness, then it would be fine, but when it tries to be romantic? NO. And now for the actual thing I had to say: Following on from that you realise something: Meyers actualy had the awe inspiring nerve to glamourise mental illnesses. Stephenie presented depression and suicide as being romantic(they can be interesting and dramatic when done right, but definately not here), when in real life they are nothing like that. Mental illnesses destroy people's lives, and they are not to be used for sexless tween vampire porn. YOU DO NOT get to treat these things lightly; anyone who has been affected by them will tell you that. Sorry to get all worked up about this, but I feel strongly about Stephenie's representation of such a condition in New Moon. As someone who suffers from delusions in real life, I wasn't happy reading that part in New Moon. I couldn't stand reading the rest of the series because Bella is a bloody idiot. In October, I'll finally get rid of my Twilight books I got for free and I have them on my Kobo. Also, another things that irks me about the Twilight fandom is the teams. Basically, a team is a group of people working together for a common goal. Instead, we get crazed fangirls debating which guy it hotter and no mention of female avatars for teams, despite Meyer telling us that Bella is a strong independent woman but never showing it.
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