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Post by blenderbender on Dec 26, 2010 11:43:07 GMT -8
I believe we all feel Sam and Emily are traitorous back stabbers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2010 12:29:29 GMT -8
I believe we all feel Sam and Emily are traitorous back stabbers I always felt Emily was more of a traitorous harlot then Sam. ;D Sam was essentially lobotomized by the imprint, what's Emily's excuse?
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Post by vampirekites on Dec 26, 2010 12:51:09 GMT -8
"That level of devotion is hard to resist". I'm guessing Smeyer doesn't think women either have backbones or doesn't think overly obsessed guys are creepy. She keeps going on how romantic it is to have a guy sneak in your room, push you around and be jealous of everyone else who comes in contact with you. I'm guessing she's goes on fears some women have of men having a wandering eye, and the fear they may leave for another woman. Instead of having them trust each other, she goes on unhealthy obsession and the loss of one's self to another person.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2010 12:54:06 GMT -8
"That level of devotion is hard to resist". I'm guessing Smeyer doesn't think women either have backbones or doesn't think overly obsessed guys are creepy. She keeps going on how romantic it is to have a guy sneak in your room, push you around and be jealous of everyone else who comes in contact with you. I'm guessing she's goes on fears some women have of men having a wandering eye, and the fear they may leave for another woman. Instead of having them trust each other, she goes on unhealthy obsession and the loss of one's self to another person. That was actually a rhetorical question. Karma for you anyway.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 26, 2010 14:10:36 GMT -8
I do feel bad for Sam. You can hardly call it his fault he completely lost his free will for the mere crime of looking at someone (literally looking at her, not even in a checking-her-out way, just LOOKING at her like any polite person would d).
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 26, 2010 16:07:32 GMT -8
Yeah, I've always hated Emily more then Sam, though the way he treats Leah made me hate him too.
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Post by vampirekites on Dec 26, 2010 16:16:09 GMT -8
"That level of devotion is hard to resist". I'm guessing Smeyer doesn't think women either have backbones or doesn't think overly obsessed guys are creepy. She keeps going on how romantic it is to have a guy sneak in your room, push you around and be jealous of everyone else who comes in contact with you. I'm guessing she's goes on fears some women have of men having a wandering eye, and the fear they may leave for another woman. Instead of having them trust each other, she goes on unhealthy obsession and the loss of one's self to another person. That was actually a rhetorical question. Karma for you anyway.
Oh, haha! ;D It did actually remind me of that quote from Smeyer about how the imprintees act towards getting imprinted.
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Post by nyaore on Dec 26, 2010 16:43:59 GMT -8
Yeah, I've always hated Emily more then Sam, though the way he treats Leah made me hate him too. I honestly can't help but wonder if that was part of the imprint as well. Sam had to become whatever Emily wanted and/or needed correct? What if the way he treats Leah is a byproduct of this? I know Emily is supposed to be this sweet person according to Meyer who 'valiantly fought the imprinting process because of her loyalty to her cousin, bullshit, but anyone who would steal another person's significant other in the manner that she did has to have a slightly vindictive side. It could be that she feels the need to get back at Leah for not gracefully stepping aside and letting the imprintee have her fantasy. Or at least that's one theory for it. *shrug*
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Post by reniefuwa on Dec 26, 2010 18:46:36 GMT -8
I believe we all feel Sam and Emily are traitorous back stabbers I always felt Emily was more of a traitorous harlot then Sam. ;D Sam was essentially lobotomized by the imprint, what's Emily's excuse? The most charitable explanation is that her actions are motivated by fear. Think about it. Sam wolfs out and mutilates her, leaving terrible scars across her body, then visits her when she's in the hospital and unable to leave, begging her forgiveness and probably manipulating her with guilt (knowing Meyer, anyway). She's terrified that if she doesn't do what he says/expects, he'll wolf out and attack her again, possibly kill her this time. Idk if that's what happened, but it's the most charitable (realistic) explanation. The least charitable is that she's a conniving, vicious little two-faced bitch.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Dec 26, 2010 20:17:58 GMT -8
I do feel bad for Sam. You can hardly call it his fault he completely lost his free will for the mere crime of looking at someone (literally looking at her, not even in a checking-her-out way, just LOOKING at her like any polite person would d). But if that was the case, what was with Sam's attitude regarding Leah? He wants her to disappear, but won't let her leave the pack and won't release her from the control he has over her. Then when she takes the initiative to leave on her own, he has the GALL to send Jared to beg her back, using her old pet name of Lee-Lee as though it still meant something. Thinking about it from Leah's perspective, if the guy I was with ditched me for my cousin but forced me to be part of something that made him an active part of my thoughts, KNEW my feelings on the matter, but would not let me go and blamed ME for "making things difficult"... Yeah...death would likely be the kindest of things I'd do to him. But a lot of Leah fans seem to have a thing for making Leah forgive them both with no real effort or remorse on their part. I know that forgiveness is divine but...really...would anyone be able to forgive something like this?
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 26, 2010 21:34:46 GMT -8
^Well that's true, but I still think it's sort of a "slave-to-imprinting" thing. Think about it-Leah is, technically, threatening his and Emily's happy ever after. He's not gonna be able to react in any manner other than cruel.
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Post by limelightqueen on Dec 27, 2010 2:18:45 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure I hate Sam and Emily equally. Although Emily asking Leah to be her bridesmaid sent a special kind of murdering rage through me.
Also, I realized that I was wrong before when I said Leah is the only female character we know of who had premarital sex. Actually she was the only one who had consensual premarital sex as Rosalie was raped. As Rosalie is also portrayed as a bitch these leads to some SERIOUSLY unfortunate implications.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 27, 2010 8:07:30 GMT -8
^Oh, Jesus. What is SMeyer trying to say?
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Post by Corporal Flashback on Dec 27, 2010 8:19:34 GMT -8
I read something claiming that imprinting was a two way street (I think it was on Twimoms, so make of that what you will), so Emily kind of instantly had those feelings back to him.
Something I'd seriously like to have seen with Leah, Sam and Emily is what would have happened if Sam imprinted on Emily but stayed with Leah, because somewhere down the line Sam made a choice to be with Emily.
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Post by Elentari on Dec 27, 2010 8:40:23 GMT -8
I read something claiming that imprinting was a two way street (I think it was on Twimoms, so make of that what you will), so Emily kind of instantly had those feelings back to him. I think that may originate from Meyer's own words: how that kind of "devotion" is irresistible. Emily was somewhat attracted to Sam when they first met, but mostly because Leah had spoken so much good of him and tried to reject him (someone said it was because she was playing hard to get). And only after the accident did she really start to develop feelings for him, and they started with her pitying him. Isn't that a good foundation for a relationship? That would have been much interesting, if you ask me. In my opinion Sam choosing to stay with Leah anyway would have been love. Him just succumbing to this instant obsession with a girl he doesn't even know (and hurting his fiancee in the process) is not even comparable to a choice like that, because staying with Leah would have required actual willpower and it would have supported all that babbling about the ability to make a choice.
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Post by Corporal Flashback on Dec 27, 2010 8:56:26 GMT -8
I read something claiming that imprinting was a two way street (I think it was on Twimoms, so make of that what you will), so Emily kind of instantly had those feelings back to him. I think that may originate from Meyer's own words: how that kind of "devotion" is irresistible. Emily was somewhat attracted to Sam when they first met, but mostly because Leah had spoken so much good of him and tried to reject him (someone said it was because she was playing hard to get). And only after the accident did she really start to develop feelings for him, and they started with her pitying him. Isn't that a good foundation for a relationship? Boy, SMeyer really is a head case, isn't she? That's just stalking. Are there any healthy relationships in these books? Sam and Emily are just as messed up as Edward and Bella.
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Post by vampirekites on Dec 27, 2010 11:11:37 GMT -8
All of that "choice" malarkey is just a front for the critics who say her books are anti-feminist. She uses the most basic definition of feminism (choice) and runs that into the ground. Sure, having a choice is always good, but she makes sure that choice is to be with one person or another. There is never the choice of being alone. Leah was forced to be alone. Emily chose to be with Sam despite him nearly ripping her face off. Bella would choose between Edward or Jacob, but never neither of them. SMeyer only gives them two options, never 3 or 4, and the "choice" is never really that. Even in the books, there's always some outside force compelling these people into their decisions. Bella even said "there was no choice, I belonged to Edward" or whatever. I can hardly call that giving the characters choices.
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Post by limelightqueen on Dec 27, 2010 12:58:27 GMT -8
And Smeyer makes sure we know that motherhood is not a choice but a necessity.
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Post by Chaotic Neutral on Dec 27, 2010 13:46:57 GMT -8
^And that everyone's life is incomplete without a child and that you are less of a person if you are incapable of having or have no desire to have children.
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Post by vampirekites on Dec 27, 2010 14:12:51 GMT -8
It's really something to have a close-minded person write something that resonates to a lot of people. It's a shame that these backwards ideals are being upheld as some sort of paradigm to a perfect life or relationship.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 27, 2010 21:02:09 GMT -8
Yeah, SMeyer would hate me-the bisexual atheist who prefers cats to children.
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Post by fdragon010 on Dec 27, 2010 21:38:18 GMT -8
I, personally, think that Leah would be much better off alone. I mean compleatly and utterly cut her ties with the pack. It's obvious that they hate her, and she'd be better off somewhere else. I mentioned in the last forum that care so little for her that that'd probably not object to her dying (if any of yall who were there remember my Leah-dies-and-goes-to-Tamrel-reborn-as-possibly-a-Kajiit idea). Personally I think she should not end up with anyone. She should be an independent female who does not need children or a husband, just to show that a woman doesn't need all of that.
I love your imprinting theory, blender. It rings very true to me. Imprinting is pretty much evil anyway, but the idea that is some form of brainwashing is pretty cool. I can see it too.
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Post by limelightqueen on Dec 28, 2010 7:25:06 GMT -8
I'm currently reading a book called Family Album by Penelope Lively that deals with the idea that a woman needs a husband and children in order to be complete. It's about a woman, Alison, who always wanted to have children. She marries and has five kids and her entire life is devoted to them. The story takes place after the kids are grown up and pretty much is about the effects of motherhood being the only job for a woman. One child is an emotionally stunted screw up due to Alison's obsessive smothering and penchant to turn a blind eye and make excuses for his bad behavior. Another is convinced she'll never have kids because she doesn't want to end up like her mother, to the point where she's had two abortions.
It's an absolutely fascinating idea.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 28, 2010 10:45:00 GMT -8
^That sounds really cool.
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 28, 2010 11:49:21 GMT -8
@anya- SMeyer wouldn't hate you for that. She'd hate you for not being obsessed with Twilight. I agree though. Cats over kids. @ fdragon- Hey you're back! I remember you from the Leah thread at the old boards. Thanks. I also think a lot of Sam's lashing out at Leah comes from the imprint. Since he can't say, do, or at times, even think anything bad about imprinting, he's frustrated. So he lashes out at the only person he can lash out at, the one person who could potentially kill the imprint, his ex-fiancee. limelightqueen- Well, now I know what book I'm looking for at my next library trip.
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Post by fdragon010 on Dec 28, 2010 20:19:14 GMT -8
blenderbender: Took me a while to find this again. I kept thinking that the old site would come back up. It never did. I agree with you about Sam. I bet that deep inside he actually knows what a rat he's been, and that he's compleatly and utterly betrayed poor Leah, but he lashes out at her. He's young and stupid and it's easier to do. It's much simpler to say "Well I can't help it because of the imprint, so it's not my fault" instead of owning up to what he's done. That attitude bleed to the other werewolves and caused them to turn on her as well. They can't even tell what complete and utter hypocrites they are. I used to really hate Sam, and I still do, because of the way he acts and the things he has done, but when I thought about it I realized how awful the situation is for everyone. The funny thing is that Meyer tries to pass this off as wonderful twu wuv. It makes me want to hurl.
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Post by Anya the Purple on Dec 28, 2010 20:29:18 GMT -8
^Oh, jeez, I'd totally forgotten that... this is supposed to be a good relationship...
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Post by fdragon010 on Dec 28, 2010 22:42:46 GMT -8
^Yeah. I mean, we look at it and see a horrible mind controling force of evil. Meyer sees sunshine and rainbows and unicorns.
Excuse me, I need to go get my barf bag.
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Post by blenderbender on Dec 29, 2010 10:59:54 GMT -8
Yeah, I figured he just lashed out because he could. He's a jerk to the wolves as well, possibly for not understanding the way imprinting truly feels.
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Post by thewizardofoz on Jan 1, 2011 1:01:21 GMT -8
And since when was anyone supposed to be considerate towards anyone else in the Twilight series?
All of this is just obvious BS from the characters. No one wants anyone worth consideration to be given the time of day, and the pathetic and worthless characters get everything they want or need.
It's just your average trollfic.
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