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Post by annoyed on Sept 14, 2012 8:33:23 GMT -8
Fourth, how do they talk? Doesn't talking require human lips in order to form words? I don't know anything about these books or these creatures, but - parrots can talk.
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Post by annoyed on Sept 14, 2012 9:21:03 GMT -8
Yeah I gotta say that is such a white trash response to someone's complaint. I mean, people are always going to have complaints and this one is really so mild it barely deserves attention, so why the lashing out? They could have easily just left it at Stevie Ray saying "Don't say that, it's mean!" and Aphrodite being all "I didn't mean it like that! Sorry." What's with the rape reference? Everyone's said the R (as in retard) word before, in jest or otherwise, so why the need to justify it with nonsensical banter? The word rape is not offensive-it's a useful descriptive for something that IS offensive, whereas the word retard can be considered offensive because it is used as an insult when those who fit the term are inoffensive. The Casts fail third grader logic. Maybe I've just been desensitized, but most of the people I hang around would be way more offensive than the Casts' response was, despite the fact that I know they're joking. For example if someone complained to them about using the word 'retard', their response would doubtlessly be something along the lines of "Shut the fuck up, retard!"
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Post by annoyed on Sept 14, 2012 9:23:44 GMT -8
Don't compare this series to Captain Planet; that shames Captain Planet. At least the characters of Captain Planet aren't huge fucking hypocrites. Or, that's what I got from the few episodes I've seen. They have the same amount of dimensions as these characters, yes, but at least they don't act like the people they shame. Actually they kind of are. For example, they have a borderline-magical plane that apparently runs on completely clean fuel and creates no pollution at all, yet for some reason they refuse to share this technology with anyone else, and talk about how awful people are for using polluting vehicles...
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Post by Bright on Sept 14, 2012 17:56:41 GMT -8
Check it out, House of Night 'Official' forum. And it is one big, eye-searing mess. Whoever designed the layout needs to be taken out back and shot. houseofnight.niceboard.org/forum It's a wreck... it looks like it was slapped together by a child.
@ thread: I remember starting the books a couple of years ago - I think I only made it about halfway through before I got sick of them. The stereotypes, the dull "which boy will Zoey end up with?" plot and the fact that she became such a huge Mary Sue got on my nerves too much in the end to finish reading them.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Sept 14, 2012 19:27:12 GMT -8
Pfft, the bad photo shop and the awful tatoos
It looks like someone drew them with a washable marker or those kiddie tattoos! LOL
Also, what the fuck is with the color choices. None of them bring "scary", "sexy", "intrigue". All I see with this color layout is "redneck"
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Post by Too Funk to Druck{Truthiness} on Sept 14, 2012 20:43:48 GMT -8
I'm guessing that's supposed to be Stevie Rae, Zoey, and Aphrodite, huh? But yeah, those photo manips are terrible. Are these the official boards, or are these fan boards? I mean, from what I remember the official site, the manips there were pretty shitty too, but this is pretty bad. The tattoos just look like colorful henna, not like some magical/majestic/other 'm' word gift from a goddess.
I really like Aphrodite's look. I dunno, but it's just weird to me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 19:16:36 GMT -8
I just looked around and found a thread called "Hate the new Erik." I don't know why it jumped out at me, but here's the OP:
"Who of you hate the new way Erik is to Zoey? I think he shouldn't ac tthat way Zoey deserves to be treated nicely. Not called 1 a slut 2 and he trying to be tttttoooo protective at her :>.<:"
Are you kidding? Not only does Zoey have some freaky bloodlust thing with her EX that means she's attracted to him too, she fucked her teacher because of some 'bond' that they had and pretty much only remembered that Erik existed after he walked in on them.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Sept 25, 2012 21:26:04 GMT -8
I just looked around and found a thread called "Hate the new Erik." I don't know why it jumped out at me, but here's the OP:
"Who of you hate the new way Erik is to Zoey? I think he shouldn't ac tthat way Zoey deserves to be treated nicely. Not called 1 a slut 2 and he trying to be tttttoooo protective at her :>.<:" Are you kidding? Not only does Zoey have some freaky bloodlust thing with her EX that means she's attracted to him too, she fucked her teacher because of some 'bond' that they had and pretty much only remembered that Erik existed after he walked in on them. The spelling is fucking atrocious. And yes, Zoey is a huge hoe bag. I don't mind females that are sexually active, but don't do that shit if you're supposed to be in a relationship (unless it's an open one) and don't judge other girls on their sex lives when theirs is similiar to yours.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Sept 25, 2012 21:32:34 GMT -8
Although, the good thing is that a lot of these people realize that Zoey is a terrible character.
Cast, when you're OWN FANS hate Zoey, I think it's time you cut your loses and focused on a different and more likable character.
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Post by Ozymandias II on Sept 25, 2012 21:48:50 GMT -8
Although, the good thing is that a lot of these people realize that Zoey is a terrible character. Cast, when you're OWN FANS hate Zoey, I think it's time you cut your loses and focused on a different and more likable character. Like Aphrodite. And considering how much Zoey slut-shames others for doing the exact same things she does or less, she has no right to complain when others call her out for her own behavior. Seriously, Zoey, people other than you can have active sex lives and not be "hos." You're not a special snowflake who can do what she wants while insulting others for doing the same. You're only the "chosen of Nyx" because you're the authors' propaganda spewer, not because you're actually any more worthy than anyone else. The actual hardcore eldritch abomination Nyx from Greek mythology would squish you in a second. "Cause that's how she roll. I'd actually like to read something where the various mythological beings who got Sueified in this series show up to set the record straight.
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Post by annoyed on Sept 27, 2012 3:40:04 GMT -8
Although, the good thing is that a lot of these people realize that Zoey is a terrible character. Cast, when you're OWN FANS hate Zoey, I think it's time you cut your loses and focused on a different and more likable character. Like Aphrodite. And considering how much Zoey slut-shames others for doing the exact same things she does or less, she has no right to complain when others call her out for her own behavior. Seriously, Zoey, people other than you can have active sex lives and not be "hos." You're not a special snowflake who can do what she wants while insulting others for doing the same. You're only the "chosen of Nyx" because you're the authors' propaganda spewer, not because you're actually any more worthy than anyone else. The actual hardcore eldritch abomination Nyx from Greek mythology would squish you in a second. "Cause that's how she roll. I'd actually like to read something where the various mythological beings who got Sueified in this series show up to set the record straight. Sounds like a good fanfic project
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Post by castlemoon93 on Feb 21, 2013 19:42:28 GMT -8
Check it out, House of Night 'Official' forum. And it is one big, eye-searing mess. Whoever designed the layout needs to be taken out back and shot. houseofnight.niceboard.org/forum It's a wreck... it looks like it was slapped together by a child.
@ thread: I remember starting the books a couple of years ago - I think I only made it about halfway through before I got sick of them. The stereotypes, the dull "which boy will Zoey end up with?" plot and the fact that she became such a huge Mary Sue got on my nerves too much in the end to finish reading them.Dude, this so much. Zoey was a big pain in the ass and she was perfect at everything and everyone adores her. I couldn't stand how EVERY guy that sees her wants to fricken bone her and STILL like her even when she tells them she can't date them. I like P.C Cast's Partholon series but I hate this one. And the twins are the most fuckin annoying things ever. Stevie Rae was annoying too.
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Post by makoeyes on Feb 23, 2013 14:55:07 GMT -8
Check it out, House of Night 'Official' forum. And it is one big, eye-searing mess. Whoever designed the layout needs to be taken out back and shot. houseofnight.niceboard.org/forum Dear god! That is the ugliest website I have ever seen in my life.
What exactly can the "vampyres" do with their magical powers? I've been thinking of giving my werebeasts some elemental powers, since mine're the servants of nature.
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Post by Ozymandias II on Feb 23, 2013 16:41:13 GMT -8
^ They can show off being Sues with their powers and how being a "vampyre" makes you so much better than icky icky humans. They can also be less powerful than Zoey so as to make her look "better" by comparison.
As long as your werebeasts have purpose with their powers, and yours sound like they do, that actually sounds pretty cool.
And what in the name of Y'Golonac's unholy perversions IS that website?! I could make a better website, and I know Jack shit about website design! Someone was PAID to make that thing!
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Feb 23, 2013 16:52:46 GMT -8
^ They can show off being Sues with their powers and how being a "vampyre" makes you so much better than icky icky humans. They can also be less powerful than Zoey so as to make her look "better" by comparison. As long as your werebeasts have purpose with their powers, and yours sound like they do, that actually sounds pretty cool. And what in the name of Y'Golonac's unholy perversions IS that website?! I could make a better website, and I know Jack shit about website design! Someone was PAID to make that thing! I am taking a web design course . . . I bet if I showed that to the teacher, she would laugh her ass off.
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Post by makoeyes on Feb 23, 2013 17:07:03 GMT -8
^ They can show off being Sues with their powers and how being a "vampyre" makes you so much better than icky icky humans. They can also be less powerful than Zoey so as to make her look "better" by comparison. As long as your werebeasts have purpose with their powers, and yours sound like they do, that actually sounds pretty cool. Werebeasts, in my universe, besides their typical superhuman physicality and senses and shapeshfiting, have various "nature" and moon related powers, because they are, or think they are, the servantss of nature. That's actually why they don't like vampires, because vampires are abominations of nature. And though it's not common knowledge, it's eventually discovered by the good guys that the reason why werebeasts have some murderous instincts and hunger for flesh (which werebeasts call "the Taint") is because whenever vampires were created, the races gained qualities of one another. That's why vampires can shapeshift and are weak to silver, and also grow stronger with the moon.
Also, humans, specifically mages, are much stronger than werebeasts. They're probably about thirteen. I looked around on the forums for a bit and most of them are preteens and early teens. It's worse than the Twilight Lexicon.
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Post by Ozymandias II on Feb 23, 2013 18:26:28 GMT -8
^ Your little universe sounds pretty cool! Are you going to try to make into a book or something, or is it just a thing that you've been keeping and developing in your head? I've got a couple of those.
And if the people who made the website were preteens who made it for their own uses rather than a professional hired to promote the series, then I take back some of my harsher words. I was under the impression that it was an official site for the series.
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Post by makoeyes on Feb 24, 2013 0:04:12 GMT -8
^ Your little universe sounds pretty cool! Are you going to try to make into a book or something, or is it just a thing that you've been keeping and developing in your head? I've got a couple of those. And if the people who made the website were preteens who made it for their own uses rather than a professional hired to promote the series, then I take back some of my harsher words. I was under the impression that it was an official site for the series. It's actually part of a book series I'm planning to write. You wanna talk about it via PM? *is excited*
I honestly don't know if they were preteens. It just looks like it was made by a bunch of preteens. If it wasn't,
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Post by WolfBloodRei on Feb 24, 2013 12:14:05 GMT -8
Like Aphrodite. And considering how much Zoey slut-shames others for doing the exact same things she does or less, she has no right to complain when others call her out for her own behavior. Seriously, Zoey, people other than you can have active sex lives and not be "hos." You're not a special snowflake who can do what she wants while insulting others for doing the same. You're only the "chosen of Nyx" because you're the authors' propaganda spewer, not because you're actually any more worthy than anyone else. The actual hardcore eldritch abomination Nyx from Greek mythology would squish you in a second. "Cause that's how she roll. I'd actually like to read something where the various mythological beings who got Sueified in this series show up to set the record straight. Sounds like a good fanfic project I know this was waaaaaay back in September... But I suddenly have the urge to write something like that. Or basically just fix the whole thing. Hell I'm already doing that to Twicrap with my Dusk's Embrace Charlie fic. One thing I'd like to do? Kill all vamps and make them witches. Because that's what Casts' characters really are: Bastardized Witches. They're not vampires, they don't even really act like vampires. They're suey witches with a blood fetish. And while I managed to get through several books, I did so with great effort. Zoey... Oh my GOD, Zoey. I never. Ever. EVER thought I'd find a Suetagonist I hated more than Bella. I can't remember any characters I really liked at all... They're all idiots, sues, stus that are complete assholes, bitches, and/or wanna screw the sue. The only guys who DON'T want to screw the Sue are gay. Well, 'cept that one guy Cast paired with Aphrodite at the last minute for whatever reason. =/
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Post by makoeyes on Feb 27, 2013 19:45:24 GMT -8
I'd actually like to read something where the various mythological beings who got Sueified in this series show up to set the record straight. But are they actually bigger assholes and more Sueish than the ones from the original myths though?One thing I'd like to do? Kill all vamps and make them witches. Because that's what Casts' characters really are: Bastardized Witches. They're not vampires, they don't even really act like vampires. They're suey witches with a blood fetish. That's basically what my sister said. She stopped reading them though since she got bored and Zoey really gets on her nerves.
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Post by circledaybreak on Jun 8, 2013 18:38:59 GMT -8
Speaking as an obsessive compulsive reader who is still determined to see this series through, I recently read book ten and I can tell you that I think you pretty much called it with the Damien boyfriend update. Some secondary (third-fourth-or-fifthendary if you ask me) character introduced with the only real purpose clearly being to become Damien's new boning-buddy showed up in book ten (can't even remember his name...). Why is it that all these "I'm so open-minded I arouse myself" authors MUST have cutesy stereotypical gay characters who INSTANTLY fall in love with the only other gay(s) around??? Does every gay person in the world have to date the first gay person they come across? No "I just see you as a friend" no "You're not my type"...just instant pairing. It's like the Casts are playing dollhouse and all the characters with similarities get their little toy faces smashed together while the person playing shouts "NOW KISS!". Zoë is still a slut, there are still half a dozen unlikeable male-models who want to sing "who booty is it?" to her, Neferet is still portrayed as some super evil slut even though she's had fewer lovers than Zoe-ho, random characters who were once (as in ten seconds ago) murderous perverted thugs are magically given magical redemption through magic, meanwhile characters who were once (as in ten seconds ago) good decide to randomly turn evil (so painfully stereotypically evil that they're only missing Snidely Whiplash mustaches) and yet the "good guys" do nothing. Let me restate that: Totally murderous characters get totally redeemed with barely a bat-eye, and characters who were okay decide to go evil. The protagonists can forgive mass murderers and accept them as allies, but when their fellow students start being snarky and verbally hurtful ALL OF THE GOOD GUYS TREAT THEM LIKE SCUM IF NOT OUTRIGHT ACTING LIKE THAT PERSON IS DEAD TO THEM. W.T.F. I guess the betrayal would only be forgivable if one of the "nerd herd" wanted to have sex with them.
This series needs to die.
Also...tendrils of darkness. Tendrils of darkness. Snake-like. Slithering. Lashing. Whipping. Snaking. Dark. Slipping. Slippery. Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness.Tendrils of darkness. Tendrils of darkness.
^That is a copy/pasted excerpt from any given scene featuring Neferet. I actually listened to the most recent book on audio and I don't know how the reader kept her cool saying tendrils of darkness over and over.
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Post by annoyed on Jun 9, 2013 10:23:55 GMT -8
Tertiary, Quaternary, Quinary.[/Pedantic mode]
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Post by Ozymandias II on Jun 9, 2013 11:57:09 GMT -8
Speaking as an obsessive compulsive reader who is still determined to see this series through, I recently read book ten and I can tell you that I think you pretty much called it with the Damien boyfriend update. Some secondary (third-fourth-or-fifthendary if you ask me) character introduced with the only real purpose clearly being to become Damien's new boning-buddy showed up in book ten (can't even remember his name...). Why is it that all these "I'm so open-minded I arouse myself" authors MUST have cutesy stereotypical gay characters who INSTANTLY fall in love with the only other gay(s) around??? Does every gay person in the world have to date the first gay person they come across? No "I just see you as a friend" no "You're not my type"...just instant pairing. It's like the Casts are playing dollhouse and all the characters with similarities get their little toy faces smashed together while the person playing shouts "NOW KISS!". Yikes. Including minorities, whether they be racial, sexual, or other, does NOT make one "progressive" if all they are are one-dimensional stereotypes. It's like they think gay people aren't really people, just talking accessories that are paired up with whatever they think is cutest. It's pretty sick, really. What?! You dare to suggest that mere trivialities such as murder even compare with the reprehensible crime of insulting the Great Zoey?! Poppycock! Everyone knows that the elimination of mere mortals is nothing in comparison to besmirching the honor of the Perfect and Wonderful Zoey Who Can Do No Wrong! OK, any more flattery of Zoey's going to make my stomach sick. What infuriates me is what a hypocrite she is. She can go out and screw around with a lot of guys, but anyone else who shows so much as a HINT of being sexually active? Hos. I hate slut-shaming, but if Zoey MUST do it, can she at least hold herself up to her own standards? It's all I ask. Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by makoeyes on Jun 9, 2013 17:32:54 GMT -8
Yep, basically just like Twilight. Yikes. Including minorities, whether they be racial, sexual, or other, does NOT make one "progressive" if all they are are one-dimensional stereotypes. It's like they think gay people aren't really people, just talking accessories that are paired up with whatever they think is cutest. It's pretty sick, really. That's a lot like New Degrassi. They and the fans like to pretend that it's oh-so-progressive even though the LGBT characters get hardly any screen time, get treated like the straight characters' dogs, and we never get as much attention towards their relationships as even the less popular pairings do. This is something that hit me in the face whenever reading Zelda Queen's recap of the first book (which I still haven't finished), but what does everyone think of the cultural appropriation in the series? Like, Zoey combining a pseudo-Wiccan ritual with a Native American rite? The fact that they made Nyx into a benevolent mother doesn't bother me so much, because unlike in real life, the people in the books actually are vampires/vampyres/witches with a blood fetish, so it makes sense that their version of Nyx would be quite a bit different. It still bothers me that she seems to be 100% good, but what do you expect whenever your "heroine" murders two guys because they were being annoying?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 14:56:41 GMT -8
I'm gonna plan on sporking the series soon. I don't know if I'm gonna do all the books, I'm not sure I'll be able to take it. Even when I used to be a fan I was tired of how much the authors prolonged it. Maybe the first five or so. Maybe more if the sporkings will get popular.
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Post by Ozymandias II on Jun 10, 2013 15:55:56 GMT -8
This is something that hit me in the face whenever reading Zelda Queen's recap of the first book (which I still haven't finished), but what does everyone think of the cultural appropriation in the series? Like, Zoey combining a pseudo-Wiccan ritual with a Native American rite? The fact that they made Nyx into a benevolent mother doesn't bother me so much, because unlike in real life, the people in the books actually are vampires/vampyres/witches with a blood fetish, so it makes sense that their version of Nyx would be quite a bit different. It still bothers me that she seems to be 100% good, but what do you expect whenever your "heroine" murders two guys because they were being annoying? The weird cultural blend stuff always confused the hell out of me. Nyx is a GREEK goddess. Why are they mixing the Celtic stuff with it? Shouldn't Nyx be pissed because the Celts raided the Greeks? Her worshippers? Greek paganism and Celtic paganism were not the same thing, even if the Romans later associated Celtic deities with Roman ones so they could classify them easier. Oh, well. Whatever makes Zoey look more "spiritual" I guess.
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Post by Ozymandias II on Jun 10, 2013 15:56:21 GMT -8
I'm gonna plan on sporking the series soon. I don't know if I'm gonna do all the books, I'm not sure I'll be able to take it. Even when I used to be a fan I was tired of how much the authors prolonged it. Maybe the first five or so. Maybe more if the sporkings will get popular. YES. DO EET.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 16:29:14 GMT -8
Don't worry, ozymandiasii, I'm getting the book tomorrow from the library and the first chapter should be up by tomorrow night. Although I should warn you it's my first time sporking something, but with what I somewhat remember, it shouldn't be that hard.
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Post by makoeyes on Jun 10, 2013 19:11:13 GMT -8
^Good luck on your spokring! I'll read it for you if you post the link here. This is something that hit me in the face whenever reading Zelda Queen's recap of the first book (which I still haven't finished), but what does everyone think of the cultural appropriation in the series? Like, Zoey combining a pseudo-Wiccan ritual with a Native American rite? The fact that they made Nyx into a benevolent mother doesn't bother me so much, because unlike in real life, the people in the books actually are vampires/vampyres/witches with a blood fetish, so it makes sense that their version of Nyx would be quite a bit different. It still bothers me that she seems to be 100% good, but what do you expect whenever your "heroine" murders two guys because they were being annoying? The weird cultural blend stuff always confused the hell out of me. Nyx is a GREEK goddess. Why are they mixing the Celtic stuff with it? Shouldn't Nyx be pissed because the Celts raided the Greeks? Her worshippers? Greek paganism and Celtic paganism were not the same thing, even if the Romans later associated Celtic deities with Roman ones so they could classify them easier. Oh, well. Whatever makes Zoey look more "spiritual" I guess. Well Nyx does list off several different mother goddesses at the beginning of the first book, including Grandmother Spider, who are really just her. And really, irl, Wicca is just like that. They believe that every non-Abrahamic deity is really one deity. And yeah, I agree, Roman mythology should not mix with Celtic myths. Irl the Romans wiped out the druids and made it illegal for the Celts to practice their native religion. That's why so little is known about the Celts that isn't Ireland, and to a lesser extent, Wales.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 7:55:52 GMT -8
Unfortunately, I can't spork the House of Night series because my local library doesn't have the first book. Or is that fortunate?
Anyways, instead I'm gonna spork the Hush, Hush series, which is fine because I was gonna spork it anyway.
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