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Post by limelightqueen on Feb 20, 2011 17:20:36 GMT -8
^I've definitely talked about how the Cullens' stories fall apart with even the smallest investigation. Particularly Carlisle's.
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Post by Blue Suede Shoes on Feb 20, 2011 19:03:21 GMT -8
^I've definitely talked about how the Cullens' stories fall apart with even the smallest investigation. Particularly Carlisle's. In reading Meyer's various comments on the subject, I got the impression that she doesn't realize that potential employers don't just contact your carefully selected references if they are considering hiring you. I'm not sure she gets that they'd want to contact your previous employer(s) to get an idea what your work is really like, and would check up on your background, including whether the degrees you claim are genuine. Otherwise they'd never hear anything bad about you because you could screen any negatives out. To be fair, I'm not sure how much Meyer has worked outside the home, but she seems a little confused about how getting a job works.
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Post by limelightqueen on Feb 20, 2011 19:52:15 GMT -8
^Particularly when that job makes you liable for people's lives. Getting a job as a doctor is hell on earth.
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Post by thewizardofoz on Feb 22, 2011 12:46:31 GMT -8
Do plot holes from fanfics, published Twilight-related books (like Russet Noon), and other media (like zine Twifics) count? If so, I've got a ton of them.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Feb 22, 2011 13:35:13 GMT -8
Do plot holes from fanfics, published Twilight-related books (like Russet Noon), and other media (like zine Twifics) count? If so, I've got a ton of them. Nope. Just Twilight series (plus Midnight Sun) and the Movies
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Post by Elentari on Feb 23, 2011 1:09:43 GMT -8
Exactly. Speaking of cars... Why the fuck is Edward driving a vehicle of Meyer's choice? I kid, I kid. XD Still, you have to give the guy some credit. He single-handedly launched a soccer-mom car as a sex-vehicle, something I would have thought impossible before Twilight. XD
Yeah, I mean, Volvo's are dorky cars. Why not go for the gold and make him drive a Kia or VW Beetle? I mean, Smeyer already took away his dignity by making him sparkle, having him drive something a middle aged, balding accountant drives is just putting salt in the wound.The thing about the Cullenmobiles is that they are not really the fanciest cars out there - they are the most expensive ones of their time. They are also mostly the kind that has all kinds of problems and are not that reliable. And they surely are not the cars any true car devout (who has money and means) would buy. If Cullens really were in love with cars and speed, the cars they use are not really good choices. They'd rather pick something like a Mustang and tune and mod it like crazy. Instead, they focus on price tags and flashiness and completely ignore the things that really make a car awesome. Meyer chose them just because they are expensive. They are there only as another way of flaunting with money, and it surely doesn't show any kind of car expertise on her or her characters' part.
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Post by gisbon on Feb 27, 2011 16:43:43 GMT -8
I had played with this question, but never got around to asking it. Why DIDN'T Edward go fight in WWI? He was so adamant about it before he changed, he could have just hopped a boat and got his ass to Europe. My theory is that Meyer was trying to put her vamps "above" Human conflict, so that they seem so much better later on. Or she could have just ignored it like everything else.
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Post by Lil' Raskol LobLaw on Feb 27, 2011 18:42:32 GMT -8
One of the biggest plot holes that annoys the everliving shit out of me.
Why the fuck didn't the Cullens just fight the nomad vampires? Were they really that hard? Seriously, there's seven of you and three of them. So why? They were not that strong. Why didn't you fucking fight them? You could've fought them and been done with it in less than ten pages, but no. You took the pansy's way out and went into a convoluted goose chase.
Sure, you could argue that the nomad vampires drank human blood. But what about in Eclipse? They fought against the vampires in Eclipse and held their own.
And Meyer goes into this huge explanation about how Edward and Alice and Jasper had these mad fighting skills in Eclipse. THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY USE THESE FIGHTING SKILLS IN TWILIGHT!?
Seriously, what the fuck!?
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Post by limelightqueen on Feb 28, 2011 4:10:16 GMT -8
This is a minor one but it's pissing me off because it's so simple and therefore so lazy.
In Eclipse Bella is in a weird daze and is unaware that graduation is coming up until Alice shows her a poster saying graduation is a week from that day. My first thought is- shouldn't she be knee deep in finals now? How'd she miss that.
Well, Meyer solved that plot hole by creating a larger one. Later in the chapter which takes place on the next day Bella says she has "a few days" to study for her final. Which makes zero sense to anyone who's ever taken finals before. At this point there are six days left until graduation. Only four of those are school days. Later that day Bella goes to school so we've got five days left and three school days left. I have never heard of finals lasting less than three days, often more (in my school they were two weeks but we had a duel curriculum with everyone taking at least seven subjects a semester- seniors could have had up to nine- and we had Tuesdays and Thursdays off to study). Let's say a few days to study means two. Let's also be generous and say this happens on a Friday with graduation on Thursday.
So, she Saturday and Sunday to study. And then she takes her tests Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Which means her teachers get about ONE DAY to grade all the finals, calculate them into each kid's final grade, submit the grades and then have the administrators or whatever get them into the system in time to know who is actually allowed to graduate. No way that is possible. They would be bound to make embarrassing mistakes.
So, I choose to believe that the only reason Bella managed to graduate high school is due to a clerical error caused by overworked staff.
I have another one. It is also simple but I know why Meyer made it. Once I explain it you will too.
Edward getting in Harvard and Dartmouth. We already know Bella got in due to bribery but how did Edward get in? Oh, I can hear the Twitards screaming "but he's a genius!" To which I say: doesn't matter. The only things he has on his application to reflect that are his grades and SAT scores. Pretty much everyone who applies to the Ivies have 4.0 GPAs and 2100+ SAT scores. I remember reading once that if Princeton only accepts the applications of the high school valedictorians they'd still have to reject 95% of them.
Edward has no extracurricular activities- widely considered the deciding factor for colleges. His teachers would probably say he misses a ton of school for frivolous reasons and does not interact with anyone but his siblings and girlfriend. He does zero community service (another big decider). He has nothing to write an essay about. So, how did he get into two Ivy league colleges?
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Post by Alice (PMD) on Feb 28, 2011 5:26:16 GMT -8
What are the SATs? Like, I know they're some sort of tests, but no idea WHAT they're for.
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Post by vampirekites on Feb 28, 2011 6:26:25 GMT -8
@ llq-Well it's mostly ignorance on Smeyer's part. She goes on misconceptions on mostly everything and runs with it. She doesn't do research and mostly "wings it". That's why this whole forum is filled with pages and pages of her failures. The reason why fans don't bring it up cause either they also don't know most of this stuff or don't care. Most fans can't even answer "why do you like Twilight" without either saying because of how hot Edward is or that's it's romance. They don't go digging deeper into the fuck ups like non-fans/antis do.
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Post by dragonfire5000 on Feb 28, 2011 7:37:56 GMT -8
What are the SATs? Like, I know they're some sort of tests, but no idea WHAT they're for. Colleges here in the United States use them as a way to evaluate students and decide whether to accept their enrollment or not.
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Post by Elentari on Feb 28, 2011 8:45:34 GMT -8
One of the biggest plot holes that annoys the everliving shit out of me. Why the fuck didn't the Cullens just fight the nomad vampires? Were they really that hard? Seriously, there's seven of you and three of them. So why? They were not that strong. Why didn't you fucking fight them? You could've fought them and been done with it in less than ten pages, but no. You took the pansy's way out and went into a convoluted goose chase. Sure, you could argue that the nomad vampires drank human blood. But what about in Eclipse? They fought against the vampires in Eclipse and held their own. And Meyer goes into this huge explanation about how Edward and Alice and Jasper had these mad fighting skills in Eclipse. THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY USE THESE FIGHTING SKILLS IN TWILIGHT!? Seriously, what the fuck!? And that is not all of it. How the hell can Alice predict weather yet she can't say whether it would be better idea to keep Bella on the field or have Wardo carry her away? How can't she see which action would result in a better situation? There were plenty of decisions made that had the nomads coming over and go after Bella (deciding to go and have a game, take Bella with them...) yet Alice can only see them coming when James and co. change the direction and start racing towards the field. Then she can't see what would be the best way to proceed when the nomads appear... It's like her ability just turns off whenever it's convenient for the plot.
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Post by limelightqueen on Feb 28, 2011 11:58:45 GMT -8
What are the SATs? Like, I know they're some sort of tests, but no idea WHAT they're for. They are Scholastic Achievement Tests. The score is out of 2400, with up to eight hundred points awarded on the three sections: math, writing and critical reading. There is also an essay writing portion which is graded by two people each of whom award it up to six points for up to twelve points total. They are evil, evil tests but every high school must take either them or the ACTs which are similar tests which I know nothing about except that there's science in them.
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Post by sterilizedwerewolf on Mar 13, 2011 6:21:10 GMT -8
So how do male Meyerpires "get it up" when having sex with female vampires? Are they just attracted to the rigor mortis that the female Meyerpire exhumes or what?
Oh, I know the answer to this one! It was all Edward's fault! He wouldn't let the other Meyerpires fight because he massively overreacted to the perceived dangerousness of the so-called "trackers".
If EVERYONE ELSE wanted to fight EXCEPT YOU, EDWARD, then MAYBE you should have made SOME CONCESSIONS, y'know, TO KEEP BELLA SAFE. Seriously? He didn't even WANT to KILL those guys!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 8:28:50 GMT -8
If Rosalie didn't tell Edward that Bella died, the whole Volturi scene wouldn't have happened. And, if Jasper didn't try to drink Bella's blood at her b-day party, the whole Breaking Dawn wouldn't have occured. BD is the most plotless of the 4 in my opinion.
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Post by vampirekites on Mar 13, 2011 13:46:17 GMT -8
Why tell Rosalie anything in the first place? They knew she disliked Bella, so it was stupid to tell the one person that would probably spill the beans to Edward out of spite. ANd why wouldn't Edward believe Alice that Bella wasn't dead, but believe Rosalie on the spot that she was? I mean, he did call to make sure, but instead of demanding more info, he just took what Jacob said as "Bella's funeral" and that's that. That's probably one of the weakest attempts at suspense and a rescue scene ever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 15:07:35 GMT -8
This isn't exactly a plothole, but is there a way to kill the vampires (meyerpires?) I mean, if they're invincible and killed tons of people, how come nobody knew of their existence till now?
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Mar 13, 2011 15:51:54 GMT -8
This isn't exactly a plothole, but is there a way to kill the vampires (meyerpires?) I mean, if they're invincible and killed tons of people, how come nobody knew of their existence till now? According to Meyer's "Personal Correspondences", the only way a human could really kill them is an atom bomb
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Post by vampirekites on Mar 13, 2011 16:03:06 GMT -8
^or logic.
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Post by Lil' Raskol LobLaw on Mar 13, 2011 16:48:39 GMT -8
This isn't exactly a plothole, but is there a way to kill the vampires (meyerpires?) I mean, if they're invincible and killed tons of people, how come nobody knew of their existence till now? According to Meyer's "Personal Correspondences", the only way a human could really kill them is an atom bomb Are you freaking serious? That's way too overpowered. The only person that should be able to do that is Dr. Manhattan, because he's actually a well put-together character. How exactly does vampire sex work? Bio facts plx.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Mar 13, 2011 21:56:19 GMT -8
According to Meyer's "Personal Correspondences", the only way a human could really kill them is an atom bomb Are you freaking serious? That's way too overpowered. The only person that should be able to do that is Dr. Manhattan, because he's actually a well put-together character. How exactly does vampire sex work? Bio facts plx. . . . You've got me! Deus SEX Machin--! *Slapped* OWWWWWWW!!!!!!
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Post by limelightqueen on Mar 15, 2011 9:46:22 GMT -8
According to Meyer's "Personal Correspondences", the only way a human could really kill them is an atom bomb Are you freaking serious? That's way too overpowered. The only person that should be able to do that is Dr. Manhattan, because he's actually a well put-together character. How exactly does vampire sex work? Bio facts plx. Painfully. Very, very painfully. Like using a frozen rock as a dildo. And for a female vamp- well, in order to have sex that doesn't hurt like a bitch the vagina has to contract and expand. Stone can't do that.
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Post by Lil' Raskol LobLaw on Mar 16, 2011 13:13:30 GMT -8
Are you freaking serious? That's way too overpowered. The only person that should be able to do that is Dr. Manhattan, because he's actually a well put-together character. How exactly does vampire sex work? Bio facts plx. Painfully. Very, very painfully. Like using a frozen rock as a dildo. And for a female vamp- well, in order to have sex that doesn't hurt like a bitch the vagina has to contract and expand. Stone can't do that. Ugh. I keep imagining two rock hard genitals grinding away at each other. They're slowly eroding away. >< How can anyone, other than masochists, find that pleasurable?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 14:00:09 GMT -8
What about the werewolves? Is there a way to kill them or just silver bullets would do?
^I'm trying hard to imagine how he could have penetrated Bella with his non-existing or (cold)? penis? During sex, he could have killed Bella by injecting some of his venom? I remember reading somewhere that he lost control... and I'm surprised he hasn't done it.
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Post by limelightqueen on Mar 16, 2011 21:32:51 GMT -8
He lost control and managed to cover her with bruises, but that's okay because Bella likes it rough!
Yeah, the whole ejaculation/venom fluids issue is like the black plot hole of the literary world. If Twilight is allowed to be classified as that*
If his sperm is venomous than Bella should have turned from sex and according to Meyer, would not be able to progress in the pregnancy. But if it's not than it never changed with him and should a) no longer be viable and b) just be human sperm. So basically Nessie is impossible. Even more impossible than sparkley vampires.
*I'm reading the fifth book in Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next series and am imagining the Council of Genres arguing whether or not Twilight is over the line of readability. I'd like to believe Thursday would campaign to have all the characters classified as Page Runners to be erased on sight.
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Post by circledaybreak on Mar 18, 2011 19:53:40 GMT -8
What really gets my goat is that Meyer is so into setting up characters in cliche'd extremes that ALL of them end up turning into polar opposites by the end of the series with no given reason except maybe Charlie.
Bella hates the cold, attention, getting married, blood...etc. The end of the series? Blood guzzling, cold and glittering, and MARRIED!
Edward doesn't like Jacob, refuses to change Bella, and whines about having no soul. End: calls Jacob his son, noms Bella into a vamp and apparently no longer feels guilty at all without any real personal revelations.
Renee' hates young marriage, now she loves it. Carlisle believes he's going to hell but has no issue turning multiple people against their will and hanging out with human killing vampires. Rosalie hates Bella...NO WAIT SHE LOVES HER AND HER SPAWN! Jacob HATES VAMPIRES OMG! NO WAIT HE LOVES THEM! Jasper has a problem with human bl-oh wait no he doesn't.
No reason given, problems arise out of sheer stupidity and then disappear just as quickly. Geography and history as well as common sense have NO hold on her. Seriously; in just four books she's made literally every type of mistake an author can make. WHY?!?!
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Post by circledaybreak on Mar 18, 2011 21:15:29 GMT -8
Also another thought: Why did the Southern vampires (or any at all) fight for territory? Jasper's maker (don't remember her name don't care) apparently made new vamps all the time to win her wars and yet... They're super strong, super thirsty and unpredictable. How does this help with a territory dispute? That'd be like me fighting for a piece of land by creating dozens and dozens of wealthy, greedy ranchers. The fact that Jasper regularly killed them off doesn't make it better either since there's no way I'm going to buy two vamps being able to control a horde of bloodthirsty superhumans. Why should they show loyalty to their maker? Jasper was duped because he thought whatsername loved him. What do the other newborns get? McDonald's coupons?
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Post by limelightqueen on Mar 24, 2011 11:06:40 GMT -8
^Meyer thinks strong=perfect for any given scenario.
I thought of (another) plot hole regarding the end of Twilight. So, the whole plan was to lure James away from Bella and then kill him, right? Even if you argued that Victoria and Laurent were there at the field and they couldn't kill him, what about when Bella went home and made sure James overheard her telling her dad she was leaving? Because then they'd ALL be there for an ambush instead of just whichever ones were tailing James.
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Post by Demeter on Mar 24, 2011 18:02:48 GMT -8
Also another thought: Why did the Southern vampires (or any at all) fight for territory? Jasper's maker (don't remember her name don't care) apparently made new vamps all the time to win her wars and yet... They're super strong, super thirsty and unpredictable. How does this help with a territory dispute? That'd be like me fighting for a piece of land by creating dozens and dozens of wealthy, greedy ranchers. The fact that Jasper regularly killed them off doesn't make it better either since there's no way I'm going to buy two vamps being able to control a horde of bloodthirsty superhumans. Why should they show loyalty to their maker? Jasper was duped because he thought whatsername loved him. What do the other newborns get? McDonald's coupons? To me, at least, the Southern Vampire Wars is a huge gang metaphor. Read up on gangs, your questions will be answered.
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