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Post by WolfBloodRei on Mar 27, 2011 21:46:05 GMT -8
I'm not sure if you'd consider this a Plot Hole or a Logic Fail (or both)
But am I the only one who noticed that they had PROM in JUNIOR year? Then no prom whatsoever in Senior?
One people have mentioned but really annoys me:
The blood type lab. Bella saying she's a hemophiliac, freaks out over a single drop of blood, but never has a problem with it ever again, like when her arms bleeding or when she's a meyerpixie.
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Post by limelightqueen on Mar 29, 2011 8:24:58 GMT -8
^Well, Bella hates all things that require her to socialize with mortals, so we know she would refuse to go. Why Alice didn't force her like she does every other event, I don't know. And in Eclipse there's a scene where Bella doesn't realize that graduation is a week away. Despite you know, there being obvious cues like her "friends" being excited and teachers going crazy over finals.
And on the finals issue, can't remember if I posted this or not. Bella notices that her graduation is a week away. That weekend she crams for finals. Let's be generous and say she realized on a Friday. Then she spent two days studying. Her finals would then start on Monday (although why she wouldn't realize that is beyond me- didn't she get her finals schedule?). I've never heard of finals lasting less than two or three days (my school is was 5 days, but we had a dual curriculum and thus were taking twice as many classes as our public school counterparts). So let's say she had finals on Tuesday and Wednesday. Graduation is on Friday. One assumes that the school ordered diplomas at LEAST a day in advance (more likely multiple weeks). Which means teachers had 1-2 days to grade all their seniors' finals so they knew who would and wouldn't be able to graduate. Has Meyer ever been in a real school? Those poor English teachers, having to grade dozens of essays in about 12 hours.
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Post by dkx on Apr 29, 2011 5:55:10 GMT -8
Well, if the only way to kill vampires is by a nuclear bomb, I better kidnap Bella (hey, it's easy as cake!), strap her on a nuclear bomb, "loan" the place housing the nuclear weapons (by the "books" standard, no one gives a damn what ever happens - Meyerpires can sparkle in the open street and no one, except Bella, gives a damn!), and make sure Edward or anyone else can't touch Bella without blowing her up, which sets off the other nukes in the facility. This is a Xanatos Gambit since it either: 1. Results in Edward commiting suicide, since he can't live without his TRU WUW. This causes despair within his family to. 2. Results in nukes being fired... by Edward. Not only will some be pointed at Forks (killing both the Cullens AND the Volturi as well as the werewolves) but it will make sure that the Meyerpires will be hated by humans for all eternity. And then, I shall crush the remnants and proclaim myself Emperor of the World, since clearly, the failmen (humans) can't handle the remaining Meyerpires without my help. And before you say that Edward will rescue Bella before I can get to the nuke facility, I must do this early in the saga, before she becomes a Meyerpire herself, and strap her with regular bombs first, which will blow if Edward touches Bella. So, unless Edward wastes his time rescuing Bella, I win. If he decides to waste his time and try during the change to "strapped-with-conventional" to "strapped-with-nuke", I shall make sure the Volturi hate his guts and wants Edward dead on his "return".
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Post by Chibithulhu on May 7, 2011 19:34:24 GMT -8
^ Sound plan. Just get the sane people out of Forks first.
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Post by Wham Bam I Am! Jam on May 8, 2011 6:41:06 GMT -8
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You've forgotten about the huge environmental impact that nukes have. Google Chernobyl to find out the specifics. Not to mention radiation sickness that would harm people of surrounding towns. And those nukes might be needed if North Korea decides to go completely batshit.
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Post by thewizardofoz on May 15, 2011 14:52:10 GMT -8
^ You've forgotten about the huge environmental impact that nukes have. Google Chernobyl to find out the specifics. Not to mention radiation sickness that would harm people of surrounding towns. And those nukes might be needed if North Korea decides to go completely batshit. Okay, here's my alternative plan. First off, kill the Volturi. That way, all Meyerpires will temporarily be without leadership. Then, round up all Meyerpires in a blood-feeding frenzy. Attract veggie-vamps by saying there'll be plenty of deer and bears to hunt, too. Then, once they're all in one place, set fire to everything in the surrounding vicinity and force them to hack each other up by placing mind control devices inside their skulls!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 13:19:00 GMT -8
The whole damn series is a plot hole and everyone has mentioned most of them. The immortal children thing bothers me a lot though. SMeyer says young children are frozen at their current level of development and cannot learn. This makes no sense! Older meyerpires have no problem learning, for example Carlisle becoming a doctor. Very young children learn faster than at any other point in their lives, this is why we're encouraged to introduce our children to reading, writing and even foreign languages at an early age. It's a natural ability, which becoming a meyerpire can't possibly erase. Obviously any capacity to learn is not removed from older meyerpires so it makes no sense that it would be for young kids. I have a child, SMeyer is meant to be a mother of THREE. Does she not understand how children work? For fuck sake!
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Jun 25, 2011 13:43:35 GMT -8
I was reading back and I noticed something . . .
When it comes to Country side/Small Towns . . . aren't there MORE police busting people for SPEEDING? That means Edward and company would have already been in debt with the number of speeding violations because, simply, you just can't sneak around the law with your car -- even if you're a vampire (Unless you're James Bond or something)
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Post by Mina Murray on Jun 25, 2011 18:39:17 GMT -8
Just thought of one regarding imprinting. Ok so Jacob imprinted on the egg that would later become Renessme.
And the last time I checked an unfertalized egg isn't a human being but rather a large reproductive cell with half of the females DNA in it. It needs sperm, and the males half of the DNA, to even form a person. Which really really does not make sense no matter which way you slice it. If the ovum is technicaly a cell, Bella's cell, than...wouldn't he have imprinted on her anyway?
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Post by sterilizedwerewolf on Jun 26, 2011 5:32:37 GMT -8
Just thought of one regarding imprinting. Ok so Jacob imprinted on the egg that would later become Renessme. And the last time I checked an unfertalized egg isn't a human being but rather a large reproductive cell with half of the females DNA in it. It needs sperm, and the males half of the DNA, to even form a person. Which really really does not make sense no matter which way you slice it. If the ovum is technicaly a cell, Bella's cell, than...wouldn't he have imprinted on her anyway? That's what I was thinking, so apparently, he imprinted on both Bella and her daughter. *vomits* But anyway, here's one. Why didn't anyone notice Esme jump off a cliff until they took her with her still-beating heart to the morgue? Surely Carlisle couldn't have been the only one.
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Post by annabellamy on Jun 26, 2011 6:14:11 GMT -8
^It would depend on where she was. If it was somewhere rural where cliffs aren't really the go-to attraction. Then somebody would have found her and people would have noticed.
Unless the cliff was surrounded, in which case: LOGIC FAIL!!!
Here's one for you: does anybody notice how the 'main' characters sound the same? Bella sounds whiney, I know, but to an extent all of them- Bella, Edward, Carlisle, etc- sound the same.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Jun 26, 2011 8:47:39 GMT -8
Here's one for you: does anybody notice how the 'main' characters sound the same? Bella sounds whiney, I know, but to an extent all of them- Bella, Edward, Carlisle, etc- sound the same. That's Meyer's bad characterization. They're all, in a way, Stephenie Meyer's character or Bella's character -- whiny, sociopathic, pretentious, stupid, etc. That's because Meyer can't write characters outside of that, or shitty villains.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 3:30:54 GMT -8
Carlisle's suicide attempts as a newborn really bother me. Edweird explains that after he was bitten Carlisle crawled away and hid in a cellar. The reason being that "he knew anything infected by the monster would be burned." Yet when Carlisle later attempts sparklecide, HE CONVENIENTLY FORGETS TO TRY BURNING HIMSELF! The stupid meyerpire jumps from heights and tries to drown and starve himself. Yet he fails to try the one thing he KNOWS the vampire hunters would have done! Of course if he had, Edward wouldn't exist so Meyer ignores the obvious.
Also, why didn't Edward consider jumping in a burning dumpster in New Moon? That would have finished him off and prevented his family reaching him in time to save his sparkly ass. Instead he skips over to Italy, endangering any family members who come after him, then does something that nobody will even know is a vampire trait! I hate Meyerlogic.
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Post by Chibithulhu on Jun 27, 2011 4:48:09 GMT -8
But, see, that would actually WORK in both cases. They have to be half-assed failures so that SMeyer can think of a way out of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 4:54:32 GMT -8
But, see, that would actually WORK in both cases. They have to be half-assed failures so that SMeyer can think of a way out of them. Exactly, and it just makes her and the characters look completely STUPID.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 5:30:53 GMT -8
I thought of another one.
How come the Cullens have no idea the werewolves are back until New Moon?! Sam and two others began phasing just after the Cullen's return to the area, TWO YEARS before Bella arrived in Forks. Are we expected to believe they never noticed? Never came across the wolves scent?
Also, how come Alice didn't see Victoria return to Forks during New Moon or Laurent? Ok so she claimed she wasn't looking for Bella's future but she saw the cliff jumping. There's no reason why she wouldn't have seen either of them decide to come looking for Bella.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 17:34:20 GMT -8
I don't know if these are really "plot holes"...they're just things I've always wondered about. I'm sorry if these have been posted before...
~ Why haven't the sparklepires taken over the world? They're superior to humans in every way and are pretty much "perfect". None of them seem to care about human life, either. They all seem to see humans as inferior, stupid, and undeserving of concern or life(except for Bella, of course). So why don't they just take over the world? It can't be because the Cullens are kind and care about humans...they don't care about human life at all unless it's Bella's life. I don't care how many times Smeyer tries to convince the audience that the Cullens are kind...they aren't.
This is probably a dumb question but...here goes...
~ I read somewhere that Rosalie and other female vampires can't get pregnant because "their bodies can't change for the baby". If this is true, how can Edward get an erection? Isn't that a bodily "change"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 1:03:53 GMT -8
This is probably a dumb question but...here goes...
~ I read somewhere that Rosalie and other female vampires can't get pregnant because "their bodies can't change for the baby". If this is true, how can Edward get an erection? Isn't that a bodily "change"? Simple answer is... He CAN'T. Meyerpires have no circulation and no blood, this alone makes getting it up impossible. Ok so Meyer will say venom does the job, um... HOW? It still wouldn't be possible if his stone skin cannot stretch it certainly can't accommodate the swelling of an erection. His skin is supposed to be hard as stone so I guess he does have a kind of permanent "wood" going on down there, which is just... UGH!
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Post by Tim Willard on Jul 7, 2011 1:56:24 GMT -8
If you want an additional wonderful image...
Because it can't swell, that means that his erection is exactly the same size as he is flaccid.
Which means: Nice baby dick, Edward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 3:38:52 GMT -8
If you want an additional wonderful image... Because it can't swell, that means that his erection is exactly the same size as he is flaccid. Which means: Nice baby dick, Edward. I just vomited in my mouth a little reading that.
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Post by sterilizedwerewolf on Jul 7, 2011 4:24:52 GMT -8
I don't know if these are really "plot holes"...they're just things I've always wondered about. I'm sorry if these have been posted before...
~ Why haven't the sparklepires taken over the world? They're superior to humans in every way and are pretty much "perfect". None of them seem to care about human life, either. They all seem to see humans as inferior, stupid, and undeserving of concern or life(except for Bella, of course). So why don't they just take over the world? It can't be because the Cullens are kind and care about humans...they don't care about human life at all unless it's Bella's life. I don't care how many times Smeyer tries to convince the audience that the Cullens are kind...they aren't. I'd just chalk it up to "The Volturi are perfectly happy leading the vampire world and just killing humans on their own turf" and "the Cullens have a somewhat sense of morals, so they wouldn't." It's like, what if you or I actually had the capability to take over the world, like if we had the location to the nuclear missile sites hidden in the President's briefcase? Answer is: We wouldn't. We'd turn it in to the government like dutiful citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 12:00:38 GMT -8
This is probably a dumb question but...here goes...
~ I read somewhere that Rosalie and other female vampires can't get pregnant because "their bodies can't change for the baby". If this is true, how can Edward get an erection? Isn't that a bodily "change"? Simple answer is... He CAN'T. Meyerpires have no circulation and no blood, this alone makes getting it up impossible. Ok so Meyer will say venom does the job, um... HOW? It still wouldn't be possible if his stone skin cannot stretch it certainly can't accommodate the swelling of an erection. His skin is supposed to be hard as stone so I guess he does have a kind of permanent "wood" going on down there, which is just... UGH! Ugh...this also makes me wonder how they move at all if their skin is hard as stone and doesn't stretch or change. None of it makes any sense! D:
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Post by limelightqueen on Jul 7, 2011 21:59:49 GMT -8
I don't know if these are really "plot holes"...they're just things I've always wondered about. I'm sorry if these have been posted before...
~ Why haven't the sparklepires taken over the world? They're superior to humans in every way and are pretty much "perfect". None of them seem to care about human life, either. They all seem to see humans as inferior, stupid, and undeserving of concern or life(except for Bella, of course). So why don't they just take over the world? Oh, I love that you asked this because it is one of my favorite Smeyer logic fails ever. She claims that the vampires haven't taken over the world because they don't see the point, us humans are like cattle to them, a mere food source, and (I believe this is an exact quote) "Who would want to rule over cows?" Love it, because, of course, we DO rule over cows. Just not in so many words. When was the last time you saw a wild Holstein?
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Post by Tim Willard on Jul 8, 2011 9:45:58 GMT -8
I don't know if these are really "plot holes"...they're just things I've always wondered about. I'm sorry if these have been posted before...
~ Why haven't the sparklepires taken over the world? They're superior to humans in every way and are pretty much "perfect". None of them seem to care about human life, either. They all seem to see humans as inferior, stupid, and undeserving of concern or life(except for Bella, of course). So why don't they just take over the world? Oh, I love that you asked this because it is one of my favorite Smeyer logic fails ever. She claims that the vampires haven't taken over the world because they don't see the point, us humans are like cattle to them, a mere food source, and (I believe this is an exact quote) "Who would want to rule over cows?" Love it, because, of course, we DO rule over cows. Just not in so many words. When was the last time you saw a wild Holstein? Let's not forget that myerpires have put forth exactly NOTHING toward world progress. Volterra and it's castle? Humans. The Cullens' clothing? Humans. Art, literature, music, and musical instruments? Humans. The Cullens vehicles? Humans. Even the music Edward "composes" is only for him and Bella, denying any type of art for the outside world. Plus, for all we know, the bitch is tone deaf and the music is terrible. Meyerpires are like the guy everyone knows who is able to do all these incredible things, but nobody ever sees him do them and never actually makes something.
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Post by limelightqueen on Jul 8, 2011 12:35:02 GMT -8
It's really awful of them really. How long do you think WWII would have lasted if the Meyerpires had fought? One of them could have easily gone and killed Hitler in two seconds.
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Post by Lil' Raskol LobLaw on Jul 14, 2011 14:06:49 GMT -8
Oh, I love that you asked this because it is one of my favorite Smeyer logic fails ever. She claims that the vampires haven't taken over the world because they don't see the point, us humans are like cattle to them, a mere food source, and (I believe this is an exact quote) "Who would want to rule over cows?" Love it, because, of course, we DO rule over cows. Just not in so many words. When was the last time you saw a wild Holstein? Let's not forget that myerpires have put forth exactly NOTHING toward world progress. Volterra and it's castle? Humans. The Cullens' clothing? Humans. Art, literature, music, and musical instruments? Humans. The Cullens vehicles? Humans. Even the music Edward "composes" is only for him and Bella, denying any type of art for the outside world. Plus, for all we know, the bitch is tone deaf and the music is terrible. Meyerpires are like the guy everyone knows who is able to do all these incredible things, but nobody ever sees him do them and never actually makes something. Exactly. They're these ungrateful assholes who don't do anything for anyone but themselves. They couldn't care less what happens to anyone else. They are probably the most self-centered characters I've ever come across.
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Post by limelightqueen on Jul 14, 2011 20:05:05 GMT -8
Once again I bring up the newborns in Seattle in Eclipse. This is a direct quote from Eclipse page 26
From this moment on whenever a fan claims Edward is selfless we need only go "Eclipse, page 26."
*Personal nitpick- why the hell would bloodthirsty newborns give a shit if they sparkled while they were mindlessly killing? I thought the whole idea of newborns was they are completely reliant on instinct, i.e.: I am hungry, that guy smells good, I will eat him. I don't really see a hunger mad newborn going "Gee, I'm starving, I need blood! I must have blood! But I gotta wait until sunset because while I can move at warp speed I don't want anyone to maybe see me glitter as I abduct and kill that guy"
You also gotta love Bella's reaction to this info
Yeah, forget about all the dead people because they have nothing to do with me! When I turn I'll make sure my conscience is clear! I will be better than that "neophyte!" (Seriously, who the fuck uses the word "neophyte" in casual conversation?)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 12:22:49 GMT -8
So another thing I was wondering... Why does Edward repeat high school over and over again when he has two medical degrees? Does anyone know how old the degrees are? If he's old enough to pass as a college or grad school student, he's old enough to not go to high school. Heck, some 17 year olds are drop outs and don't even go to school and some are home schooled...so he really doesn't HAVE to go to school. I doubt anyone would notice, and if the did...they probably wouldn't care. People already think he's weird as hell since he never associates with anyone outside his family and sits at lunch with a tray but just sits there staring into space instead of eating. He could be putting that medical knowledge and his vampire powers to use and helping people instead of creeping around high schools
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Post by limelightqueen on Jul 15, 2011 13:02:32 GMT -8
Because on some level he knew he was waiting for his soulmate to show up in third period biology.
Oh, excuse me, I just vomited a little in my mouth.
That question has been rattling around the forum for ages now and the only reason is that Meyer is utterly devoid of creativity and it was the easiest way to have him meet Bella.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Jul 15, 2011 14:15:42 GMT -8
So another thing I was wondering... Why does Edward repeat high school over and over again when he has two medical degrees? Does anyone know how old the degrees are? If he's old enough to pass as a college or grad school student, he's old enough to not go to high school. Heck, some 17 year olds are drop outs and don't even go to school and some are home schooled...so he really doesn't HAVE to go to school. I doubt anyone would notice, and if the did...they probably wouldn't care. People already think he's weird as hell since he never associates with anyone outside his family and sits at lunch with a tray but just sits there staring into space instead of eating. He could be putting that medical knowledge and his vampire powers to use and helping people instead of creeping around high schools Plot convenience, that's why. Meyer is too lazy for them to meet at, say, a music store or someplace, but instead has to settle for the cliche highschool scenario.
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