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Post by limelightqueen on Jul 16, 2011 16:20:02 GMT -8
In order to meet at a music store Bella would have to be interested in music. We know that can't happen!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 23:09:20 GMT -8
One thing that bothers me is Nahuel's defense at the end of the book. I mean, the Cullens spent a very long time trying to convince Aro that Renesmee isn't dangerous, showing him their minds, showing off her "half-humanness", and indidting that nothing wrong ever happened. But Aro doesn't believe them. Then Nahuel shows up and says the exact same thing, "I am 100 years old and nothing happened". Not only is that a pretty weak argument ( for all we know, he could be a special case. Maybe because he is a boy, that would fit Meyer's philosophy well), he could also be lying. Does Aro check his mind, does he do more investigation? NO! He believes him just like that, says "Sorry" and leaves. How is that possible? How did he become king?
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Post by Mia Garossa on Aug 7, 2011 7:45:03 GMT -8
I'm not sure what you mean about Meyer's philosophy, but the argument is half-assed. More importantly, they do just take his word for it and go head-hunting for the Brazilian heretic without question.
One thing you can count on the Volturi for is that there are no excuses or exceptions. They show up with a hybrid like Renny and Aro lets her show off when all they really came for is to have the Volturi family grow with additional members. There's only one way that's going to happen: threaten to be executed on the spot. Chances go up too because we all know what big pansies the Cullens really are. The negotiation becomes invalid because the Volturi didn't WALK all the way to Washington just to check the hybrid out.
When put this way...that means they'll kill everyone involved in all this hybridizing. ...How did this scenario not play out in the end?
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Post by limelightqueen on Sept 26, 2011 20:37:43 GMT -8
This is from way, way, way back (page four), but I don't believe it was answered
I will fully admit that the only vampire mythology I know about is the Vampire Diaries TV show, which I am obsessed with. In it vampires do have blood. I think that is true of other vamp lore as well, I think the vamps from True Blood have blood.
Although, this plot hole never bothered me as much as it does most antis. Smeyer says their venom acts the same as all the other fluids in human bodies. I guess I could buy that it allows the penis to get erect. In the list of plot holes as long as my lower intestine, this one ranks pretty far down.
It's only when she starts talking about sperm and how all the fluids are venomous that I get confused.
Just thought of one regarding imprinting. Ok so Jacob imprinted on the egg that would later become Renessme.
Yep, other than the odd mutation, all the DNA in the unfertilized egg is present in Bella's DNA.
And then we have two more tangles with this
1) The egg is only half of Nessie's makeup, the other half comes from Edward. So by all logic, Jacob should have been just as in love with Edward as with Bella.
2) It was really very lucky that Bella and Edward got married when they did. If they had waited a couple weeks Jacob may have found himself making out with Bella's used tampon *guzzles brain bleach*
2a) If we use tangle one and apply it to tangle two, it is extremely lucky that it was that particular sperm cell that implanted that particular ova. Again, if the timing had been off by even a little, Jake may have fallen in love with a piece of tissue paper in the trashbin of Edward's bathroom.*
*This concept is executed perfectly by Jasper Fforde where in one of his novels, time travelers prevent a person's existence through a well timed knock on his parent's front door.
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Post by blackrose97 on Oct 18, 2011 16:47:25 GMT -8
I read all these posts and I got to say, you people just put Meyer's work into the trash bin. Why won't she ever answer stuff like this? Any way some plot holes(of something that's messed up with the character). Everyone will tell you fifty billion times that Edward is so sweet and so kind. Rosalie, who was abused by her husband, sees all that he does to Bella, but says nothing. Rosalie should be able to notice the signs are a harmful relationship.
( I always thought that Bella was sort of a bitch for this.) When she finds out that Jake had imprinted on her daughter, she flips. This is understandable, her daughter is a newborn. But what makes her flip is the fact that he calls Renesme Nessie. Then like four minutes later, she calms down and she starts calling her daughter Nessie and she forgives Jacob. Nothing was changed by her outburst! She got over the fact that her infant daughter is one day going to get into bed with a guy that was ready to make a baby with her mom. Bella doesn't seem to care about the fact that her daughter is being looked out in a some sort of sexual way. Her baby that she had to save so badly is being looked at as a future possibility or having sex.
Near the end of BD, Bella mentions that Jacob and Nessie's relationship was going to come into conflict with another guy who was also a half vamp. What? You are already planning for your daughter to be part of a weird, supernatural love triangle like you? she didn't sound protective of her three day old, but protective of Nessie's future pedophilia relationship with a guy twice her biological age. So much for parenting.
Also, if Charlsie is so great and kind, why didn't he help stop slavery? Millions of people where dying around him. Why wasn't a poor African child turn to be a part of his family? Or the other thousands of migrant workers who were forced against their will to work and build America up?They weren't important enough or didn't die in painful ways? Those were some of the most gruesome, deaths in the world. How about all the black men lynched in the early 1900's? All the Jews who died in the Holocaust. They would have deserved it more then the entitled assholes that he turned into vampires.
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Post by limelightqueen on Oct 20, 2011 20:08:48 GMT -8
^The weird part about that last one is it has been said that Edward wanted to join the army before he was turned. Of course, being a selfish bastard, once he actually had the power to help anyone, he decided against it.
The one that really gets me is that Edward spent a lot of time eating humans, but he justifies it by saying they were only bad people, which he knew from hearing their thoughts. If I recall correctly, that bad period was around the forties. If he wanted to kill bad people, why not hop over to Europe and eat Hitler or Mengel?
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Post by vampirekites on Oct 20, 2011 21:21:19 GMT -8
^see, that would involve creative writing and enough wit to pull it off, like Tarantino did for Inglourious Basterds. Besides, all of that army talk seems like a front on Smeyer's part to make it seem like Edward was a noble person instead of the selfish prick he really is. Not to mention the vigilante killings aren't exactly fleshed out enough for us to sympathize with him.There's no mention of what he actually did, just like a passing thought like how he felt about the weather (or at least I don't remember him mentioning anything in detail). And I hate the justification of killing people based on their thoughts. First off, it seems like he only reads superficial thoughts, the ones that you think at that moment. Plus, did he stalk these people for a long time to make sure they were bad, or did he just hear a one time thought and figured they were being serious about it? That holier than thou complex he has makes him just as bad, because he thinks he can do no wrong (unless the sympathy strings have to be pulled and then he starts brooding about how awful he is *eyeroll*).
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Post by limelightqueen on Oct 26, 2011 12:10:52 GMT -8
My theory? Look at Edward's belief system. Mike is disgusting because he has sexual fantasies for Bella, but he doesn't much care about the Volturi killing hundreds of people a year or the newborns in Seattle. I'm going to anti-fanwank that the "bad people" he killed were people who had premarital sex. Hitler wasn't all that bad compared to that!
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Post by blackrose97 on Oct 26, 2011 18:14:25 GMT -8
^ Can it be said that Edward, and the whole Cullen family, has a very fucked up moral code?
"We don't kill humans and no one should ever touch Bella, but here is some cars and gear so you can't kill people in the town over." "Screw war! Humans are soo stupid, let me go off on in immature and completely stoppable rampage to of murder."
"I was raped and abused but it's okay I'm a hollow barbie bitch who hates perfect Bella. I should be resentful of all man and be emotionally traumatized but I'm not"
"Sprakly things, dresses, make up, girly things!!!!!!1111"
"Humans are cows( have you read that thread? it was good) but I'm just a parasite that sucks and relies 100% on human body, culture, manufacturing, and technology."
They all seem to be pretty messed up and one dimensional. The have such narrow veiws of the world which reflex on Smeyer's own sheltered stupidity.
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Post by limelightqueen on Oct 27, 2011 13:04:20 GMT -8
Don't forget - Innocent people are dying in Seattle. We could do something, but we won't because Alice's visions can't guarantee that we'll win
- Oh Bella, it's really so terrible that you had to hear the screams of forty people as they were eaten by vampire in the next room
- Bree, it's okay, you can become a good vampire like us. Oh, no wait, the Volturi want to kill you. Too bad
- Bella, don't you see? I can't sleep with you because premarital sex is against the bible. I must uphold that commandment, even though I totally ignored the whole "thou shall not kill" thing.
- Charlie: Good job on sexually assaulting my daughter, Jacob!
Bella: Dad, he freaking assaulted me Charlie: Oh Bella, you are such a silly little girl. You should really forgive him. After all, boys will be boys.
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Post by Chibithulhu on Oct 27, 2011 22:59:08 GMT -8
^ And of course, "Huh, this kid who doesn't think vampires and werewolves exist mentioned an old legend to my object of stalkeryness. That means they broke the treaty and are totally defenseless! YAY! I can go kill them all if I get bored!"
... You know, I was just reading liveblogs of FATAL, also known as the RPG that spawned the "roll for anal circumference table" and goes into creepily ridiculous details about rape... and honestly, given the choice between meeting a FATAL character and Edward Cullen in a dark alleyway at night? I'm not sure which one I'd rather have to meet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 17:45:38 GMT -8
^The weird part about that last one is it has been said that Edward wanted to join the army before he was turned. Of course, being a selfish bastard, once he actually had the power to help anyone, he decided against it. The one that really gets me is that Edward spent a lot of time eating humans, but he justifies it by saying they were only bad people, which he knew from hearing their thoughts. If I recall correctly, that bad period was around the forties. If he wanted to kill bad people, why not hop over to Europe and eat Hitler or Mengel? What gets me is that Edward has had some pretty horrifying thoughts...like wanting to murder Mike for having sexual fantasies about Bella and wanting to kill and entire classroom of innocent teenagers. Edward is a pretty damn awful person himself. Also, Hitler was slaughtering millions of humans. We all know humans are just cows and are sooo beneath the superior, beautiful meyerpires. It doesn't matter if they die Edward was probably going around killing people for having sexual fantasies...or for not thinking about things that please and/or entertain him(we all remember his whining about how boring and vain everyone else's thoughts are in Midnight Sun).
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Post by limelightqueen on Nov 2, 2011 22:51:09 GMT -8
So, I'm reading through New Moon, marking it up as I go and I just got done the first chapter (interesting to note: Edward has already been called perfect three times). It ends my telling us that Bella is looking into the eyes of six ravenous vampires. Edward is busy keeping Jasper away from Bella and the very next sentence says Carlisle was calm. So my question is, who is the sixth vampire?
Jasper, Alice, Esme, Emmett, Rosalie and...Bill? Stefan? Lestat? Who else was there?
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Post by fdragon010 on Nov 3, 2011 21:02:32 GMT -8
^Dracula briefly came in through a wormhole, looked around, decided he wasn't going to be having with this bullshit, and went back to his normal universe.
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Post by Chibithulhu on Nov 7, 2011 16:55:38 GMT -8
^ WIN.
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Post by KeyOfTheTwilight on Nov 8, 2011 0:54:13 GMT -8
You know? I was thinking of something. About Bella kissing Edward. Since venom is the only fluid in a sparklepire's body and Bella and Edward are having some intense kissing action and the tongue is involved wouldn't his venom get into Bella when they do that and also would it taste really gross? Also would it turn you into a sparklepire when you drink the venom? I'm just wondering.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 8, 2011 7:01:02 GMT -8
You know? I was thinking of something. About Bella kissing Edward. Since venom is the only fluid in a sparklepire's body and Bella and Edward are having some intense kissing action and the tongue is involved wouldn't his venom get into Bella when they do that and also would it taste really gross? Also would it turn you into a sparklepire when you drink the venom? I'm just wondering. There were plentuy of moments Bella got into contact with venom and didn't change. If we made a drinking game out of it, we'd be dead drunk
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Post by KeyOfTheTwilight on Nov 8, 2011 7:59:22 GMT -8
^ Like the being bitten thing? But what about drinking?
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Post by fdragon010 on Nov 8, 2011 8:54:11 GMT -8
If that is the case she should have been a vampire first book, as Eddy sucked out the venom with his horrible infected mouth.
But, then we would have had to suffer through Perfect Sparkle Bella all the sooner, and I hate Bella as a vampire.
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Post by Chibithulhu on Nov 8, 2011 13:36:08 GMT -8
But if she did turn at the end of the first book, it would mean we wouldn't have to sit through New Moon and the spawn! That's good, right?
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Post by limelightqueen on Nov 8, 2011 18:50:52 GMT -8
You know? I was thinking of something. About Bella kissing Edward. Since venom is the only fluid in a sparklepire's body and Bella and Edward are having some intense kissing action and the tongue is involved wouldn't his venom get into Bella when they do that and also would it taste really gross? Also would it turn you into a sparklepire when you drink the venom? I'm just wondering. Actually, I think Meyer once mentioned that they only closed mouth kissed. I don't really know how a couple goes from closed mouth kissing to bed breaking sex in one night, but sure, let's go with that.
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Post by reniefuwa on Nov 8, 2011 21:42:52 GMT -8
^ Well, Bella is a horny little bitch...or were you talking about Edward?
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Post by limelightqueen on Nov 9, 2011 11:35:31 GMT -8
Both I guess.
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Post by vampirekites on Nov 9, 2011 13:14:45 GMT -8
there's always descriptions of the kiss being intense. How is it intense if it's a closed mouth kiss? I just can't picture it.
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Post by KeyOfTheTwilight on Nov 9, 2011 15:36:26 GMT -8
A simple closed mouth kiss brings in so many questions.
Yeah. How the heck does a closed mouth kiss lead to bed breaking sex? ?_?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 19:19:53 GMT -8
There's something I don't understand. In New Moon Edward disguises his voice to sound like Carlisle when Jacob told him Charlie was at the funeral. Since when was Edward able to mimic someone else's voice? It's like another plot line that went nowhere.
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Post by Lady Phoenix on Nov 9, 2011 19:55:43 GMT -8
There's something I don't understand. In New Moon Edward disguises his voice to sound like Carlisle when Jacob told him Charlie was at the funeral. Since when was Edward able to mimic someone else's voice? It's like another plot line that went nowhere. We'll just chalk it up as the following: 1. Plot convenience 2. Edward is a Gary Stu
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Post by blackrose97 on Nov 10, 2011 20:22:40 GMT -8
What I don't get is why Bella's power is force fields. Okay, Edward couldn't read her mind....so? This doesn't mean she was immune to any other vamp with a similar power (Not that I remember) Wouldn't her power be smelling awesome because that's all any vampire ever talked about with her. The powers are a reflection of the vampire's strongest human trait, then her biggest trait was smelling like dinner. The powers are stupid in itself, what are the criteria of it? if I can read the fastest, do I have the power to absorb knowledge by looking at things or do i read even faster? How did Alice even get her power? Was she able to guess something good? Can you guess better? Does Rosalie even have a power? Or is she just really, really pretty?
Jane and Alec were said to be witches and that Aro were looking at them from birth. They had mystic powers to curse and gift people who were kind or mean to them. What fuck?Are they really witches or what? Smeyer loves mixing science with retarded magic.
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Post by limelightqueen on Nov 11, 2011 0:03:26 GMT -8
A simple closed mouth kiss brings in so many questions. Yeah. How the heck does a closed mouth kiss lead to bed breaking sex? ?_? It's crazy to say, but I know worse. I grew up Orthodox Jewish and there is this whole concept called Shomer Nagiah, which literally means "guarding purity." The idea is that there is no affectionate touching because we all know men are horny bastards who can't help themselves. This literally means no touching until the wedding night. The first time you even hold their hand is when you go out of the Chupah after the wedding ceremony. I'm actually going to a wedding of a couple like this on Sunday. The concept has never made sense to me for a host of reasons but a big one was always "how do you go from not even holding hands to having sex in just one night?" I'm not Shomer nor is anyone I'm close to these days, or at least, not anyone I'm close enough to ask. Back in high school there was this even split between the girls who were shomer and those who weren't. I think we may have asked one of our teachers about it, but she shrugged it off with a non-answer. Seriously, it's just messed up. I get waiting until marriage to have sex, but well, there are other things.
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Post by Tim Willard on Nov 11, 2011 20:22:44 GMT -8
Wanna know a REALLY old little ritual that my family used to follow until, like... the 90's? Seriously, this was in effect till the 1990's, and my generator grew up and said "We can't do this any more."
"Sacking", which is where two people dating can spend the night together, providing the man is in a sack sewn up around their neck. No shit, your girlfriend/boyfriend could spend the night, but they had be sewn into a sack.
Could you imagine that shit with Bella?
"OK, Bella, I'm going to sew you up in this sack, then we could spend the night!"
Of course, from what everyone else has told me, that practice was abandoned, oh, around the fucking 1800's.
I'll never forget my girlfriend's expression when she was told she could spend the night.
But first, I had to get into the canvas bag.
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